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Eldarion and Bruce's build of Bob's Energy Converter

Started by eldarion, July 27, 2007, 12:58:39 AM

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Jdo300

Quote from: eldarion on August 17, 2007, 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: hartiberlin on August 17, 2007, 08:23:39 AMWhat do you think about this ?

VERY interesting! ;D

I wonder how much power a setup like this would take to manifest the effect?

If you drive the coils with one wire, it won't cost you anything except the power to drive the control logic  ;D All we pay for is the oscillation. The induced fields in space do all the work for us :).

God Bless,
Jason O

EMdevices

From TPUs to starships, very nice Stefan  :)

It's fun playing around with simulators isn't it?  However, we need to realize they often don't tell us the whole story.

What's missing in the Hungarian and other concepts of interference is what happens at the SOURCE and in general SPACE.

Yes, waves add in space and energy seems to increase in one place and decrease in others, so if you place your receiver in one "high" intensity spot, you might get   0.001% of the TOTAL transmitted energy.  Place the receiver at a "low" field intensity spot and receive perhaps 0.000001% of that total.    A relative difference of 1000 times.

Do you see what I'm saying?   It's not just about the concept of interference and energy increasing, but about how much energy your inputing in the system. The transmitters puts out a lot more energy in space then one little isolated spot.  For those that browsed gn0sis.com I had a few MATLAB simulations of pulses adding and showed the energy was constant when integrated across the whole space.  :(   (but I was exicted for a few days before that) :)

Then I mentioned the source.  One wave from one transmitter affects the other, and a Z matrix is often computed for phased arrays or multiple antennas close to each other.  The interactions can be quite complex in multi source systems.

However, the TPU seems to be simplistic and trap the waves in a circular ring.  Now it should be simpler to analyze since its a 1-D setup as far as the waves are concerned, they just go round and round passing one transmitter then the other in a seeming LINEAR path.    Do the pulses go BOTH ways, as in clockwise and couter-clockwise?   I don't know, the trick I belive is to make them go one way, by using DIRECTIONAL Couplers. 

BEP, you mentioned you have a sloted antenna on your roof, and you're generating more power?   I hope you understand what GAIN and DIRECTIVITY is all about.   Just because your sloted high gain antenna transmits more power in one direction then others,  and has a very narrow beamwidth, that doesn't mean its now creating more energy by this interference concept.   I'm an antenna design engineer and have tested lots of antennas in the chambers to extract gain and pattern and I never received more energy out then was transmitted, perhaps I should stop using standard physics   ;D

EM

eldarion

All,

Just a quick status update here.  As Jason knows, my aging Spartan 3 board finally kicked off, and I had to pull in a replacement to allow the experiments to continue.  So I am now using a Spartan 3E board as shown; this has significantly more features, including two onboard DACs and two onboard ADCs, not to mention that oh-so-cool LCD screen. :)

Best of all, this board is the same price as the Spartan 3 -1000 I was using ($149 USD).

The core in the picture is what I am currently working with.  I remembered a couple of days ago that I had an AMCC-4 nanocrystalline core left over from some MEG experiments that I had been doing, so I just had to try it! :)

This core is simply amazing in terms of performance, permeability, etc.  The only problem is that I have to drive it four-phase, since there is no way to do symmetrical three-phase.  This has required some software updates, but nothing too major.

Attached is a waveform with all four of the MAX627 driver chips connected to the driver coils, but with all open-ended except one.  That interesting spike and the even more interesting DC offset only came about when I hooked one of the primaries open end to ground.  I have tried hooking up the other primaries free ends to ground as well, but as soon as I do the input current spikes and I have to shut down to protect the MAX627s.  Time to break out the MOSFET driver board again, I think. ;D

This measurement was taken with a 12V DC bias source, a 0.22uF DC blocking capacitor, and a 470-ohm load resistor.  The scope leads were placed directly across the resistor, and the input power was 0.25 watts.

Eldarion

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the windings on the core are all 1:1; i.e. each winding is comprised of 10 turns of 16ga. copper magnet wire.  So, that spike in the scope shot (~10V) is not due to transformer step-up...
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

eldarion

To those interested in my odd experiments: ;D

The AMCC-4 core bombed.  I was getting a mere 10% of the energy I put in out, and to top it all off, two of my windings shorted out.  I consider this attempt abandoned, as a high permeability core seems to completely destroy the energy conversion process.

On the plus side, I did find out why.  On this page: http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr2.htm (a recommended read for anyone working on this project) I found that an powdered iron core transformer is a wideband transformer, used where there is significant DC bias, and it does not saturate easily at all.

I'll see what I can scrounge up as far as powdered iron toroids are concerned, and give that a shot while I wait for the real core. :)

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

eldarion

Well, I finally found the needle in the haystack!  In an old DC power supply I came across a large powdered iron toroid, quite possibly a Micrometals mix 26 from what I can tell!

Attached are a couple of pics.  I still need to "beautify" the secondary, and wind the primaries, but I think this might actually work! :)  Also, I will be seeing if I can preload a magnetic bias with permanent magnets, as I think this might be safer than using a bias winding--we will see. ;D

Here is a page with the exact toroid I scrounged up:
http://www.coilws.com/toroidal/Vicor_choke.php

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine