Eldarion and Bruce's build of Bob's Energy Converter

[eldarion]

Hey Rich,

Quick question: are you seeing more than 1.1547V rise per hour on your capacitor bank if you start with it discharged?  If so, then your setup is overunity.  I am going by the readings on you meters, which say you are putting in 10W.  Over the course of an hour, that is 600J, so with that 450F bank on the output you should be getting 1.15V or more starting from 0V if in overunity mode.

The chokes from the AC line filter really cleaned up my primary waveforms, but I still have no TEM overunity.  I do feel like I am blind here, not having an LEM detector to see where the problem is!

With 8W in, my 0.025F capacitor bank charges to 10V in 1 second.  That is only 2.5W out; maybe electrolytic capacitors are just really bad at storing/converting LEM?   The controller is sucking down 5W just to power itself, so the TEM COP isn't as bad as you might think, just not overunity yet.

Bob (or anyone who knows ),

When I run the system at 200KHz to check for DC on the longitudinal windings, should that be 200KHz on all the primaries or 200KHz P1, 100KHz P2, and 50KHz P3?

Thanks!

Eldarion

[eldarion]

All,

I was browsing around this forum and I came across this:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3457.msg60495.html#msg60495

So what do you think?  Could he be tapping into the dominant energy in a similar fashion to what we are trying to do?  He's certainly got enough info to replicate the system on his website.  I found the part where his load (the LEDs) inexplicably burns out eerily familiar...sounds a bit like a micro-avalanche (if such a thing exists).

A snippet from his website (emphasis mine):

From looking at the above power peaks we can assume that there are three distinct frequencies where amplification takes place and they are; '12,0xx,xxx', 15,1xx,xxx',  '18,6xx,xxx'.

Or he could be full of hot air.   EDIT: Or maybe not so much...looks like he has been dancing around whatever phenomena Bob is using for some time, but not quite putting everything together to make a system like Bob's:
http://www.drstiffler.com/ecat2004.asp
If nothing else, his circuits may shed some light on the basic phenomenon at work in all of these devices.

EDIT2: Wow, he even found the main 42.6KHz hydroxy frequency!
http://www.drstiffler.com/bfh2gen.asp

Here's a question: did he hear of Bob's work and rip him off, or is this one of those bizarre cases where two people come up with almost identical ideas on their own?

Eldarion

[Bruce_TPU]

Hi Eldarion,

Don't get too excited, LOL!     Stiffler says 42.6 Mhz, not 42.5 Khz Bob uses.  I think that Stiffler's work with the cold electricity is more related to SM's unit, just my own opinion of course.  And Bob B. did say that there are "hundreds of ways" to tap that dominant power.

Back to the work at hand!    

High regards,
Bruce 

Happy Thanksgiving Holiday Eldarion and to all the replicators!

[eldarion]

Hi Bruce,

Yes, it is important to stay on-task here--Bob's technology has far more potential (pun intended) that anything Stiffler has shown to date.

Having said that, his ECAT unit had some similarities to Bob's unit, just on a much smaller and less controlled scale.  It would even seem that he may be creating some LEM, based on the difficulty he had in getting a pure TEM O/U output. 

Why is this important?  From looking at his results, it looks like he might have unknowingly given us another way to convert LEM to TEM and actually get a polyphase system like Bob's to go overunity in terms of TEM output--assuming his load-powering difficulties were due to LEM being created in the first place.

It can't hurt to try something new on the output side!

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Eldarion

[Rich SAS]

Eldarion, the voltage and current readings from the most recent pictures where taken while still running a light bulb as a load, to show the difference inserting  the chokes made. The capacitor bank is made up of 6 2700 farad 2.5 volt capacitors in series.  When I was charging the 450 farad capacitor bank, the primary input voltage was apox. the same, current fell to 90 ma., apox. 4.5 watts primary input power. The observed charging rate was apox.  .4 to.5 volts per hour. I charged the bank over a 4 day period at 8 hours per day. That would be 36 watt hours per 8 hour charge period or 144 watt hours total. The capacitor voltage at the end of the charging period was 12.5 volts. Each capacitor can store 8400 joules of energy each. So if you charged one capacitor to 2.5 volts by its self and put a dead short load across it, you would have 3360 amps of current until you reached 1.25 volts or half voltage. Just so you know, most of the readings are apox. They would definitely have to be done under more controlled conditions. Oh and by the way happy thanksgiving all. 

Rich