So...........

[aparodox2003]

@running
  I understand your confusion with energy-what is free and what is not and that you can't create something from nothing.
  I agree 100% that you cant create something from nothing and no energy machine i have seen can.  However free energy i think is possible.  For years men have trained animals to do work for them, at some points even other men. But, because of the day we live in this practice seems immoral or illogical as there are easier ways to get things done. However, what if instead of animals the sun could do the work for us, the sun is free to all-for now anyway. The sun has the power to create heat, it can be used to create energy, and not to mention it move hundreds upon hundreds of gallons of water-and it doing it all the time.
  I still agree the sun is not overunity, at least i dont think so, nor is any other star in the sky, but if we could find a way to 'harvest' the power of a star efficiently....i think energy would be a whole lot cheaper, if not free

[RunningBare]

When you take into consideration what is needed to tap the suns energy, it soon becomes apparant that it is not free energy, our best solar cells to date break down in the crystal lattice in quite a short time so would need replacing, so lets take a more robust path, solar water heaters, it requires a massive area covered by these things to get substantial useful energy and then it depends on the sun not being obscured, in both cases the area required to say for example power New york would require an area larger than New york, to put it more simply, even if you covered the roof of your home in solar panels, your still going to need an expensive storage medium which will need replacing periodically just as the solar panels themselves would need replacing, you begin to realize that it is just not cost effective, hopefully the physicist and engineers who are working on this real stuff will come up with more efficient methods.

History has shown us this is the real possibility, a couple of decades ago batteries would have had a short life in that lil tranny radio you had, today with more efficient circuits and better batteries they last substantialy longer and it's real world physics.

[IronHead]

Yes but the energy itself is free . This has nothing to do with the apparatus for capture.
That is if we want to use our terms correctly. If we include the apparatus in the term free energy then there is no such thing as free energy .If this is the case than these two words put together would have no meaning . Therefore they could not be used in this way as they are null.

If we are going to use these kinds of labels we need to understand there meaning to avoid
conflict .
Simply, the Suns energy is free , The device to capture that  energy is not.


IronHead

[rapttor]

If we are going to use these kinds of labels we need to understand there meaning to avoid conflict .
Simply, the Suns energy is free , The device to capture that  energy is not.

IronHead

@I.H. now that's some writing sir...

Runningbare, how's this work... "Free Energy" now will be known as "A Conversion Device"... I think that is a more proper "Title"...



"he just keeps walking... just keeps talking.. spreading his magic"

[RunningBare]

@I.H. now that's some writing sir...

Runningbare, how's this work... "Free Energy" now will be known as "A Conversion Device"... I think that is a more proper "Title"...



"he just keeps walking... just keeps talking.. spreading his magic"

Conversion sounds great to me.

Ironhead, no matter how free the suns energy is, it is impossible to ignore the potential costs in tapping that energy.