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Apparatus for generating autogenic energy?

Started by ken_nyus, August 08, 2007, 10:12:35 AM

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ken_nyus

Well I have a steam engine flywheel, some brass rod and sheet, some bearings, some magnets, and even some lego parts all being shipped this week. I hope to get started trying to replicate this patent soon.


ken_nyus

Ok, I have a brass axle now, with two plastic bearings on it, the flywheel mounted on one side (might be too small, and it is certainly not balanced), a simple crank  and push rod on the other side. The bearings seem to work well.

I have a plan for mounting the rotating magnet on the axle, with a counterweight for balance, but no plan yet for how to mount the sliding magnet on some kind of sliding back and forth tray. Ideas would be appreciated!

I also have to mount the axle/bearings into some kind of holder.

I'm hoping to just glue most of the pieces together.

And those grade 40 magnets are pretty strong!


ken_nyus

I now have the rotating magnet attached in some form to the axle (super glue), and some counterweights. All pretty shaky and may fall apart, but I'll work on making that better.

It spins very easily, and I can at least play with the axle/rotor by holding the bearings. I need to mount this part soon.

So I am in the classic stage of being able to get the rotor to rotate, by using my hand to pulse what will be the sliding magnet. All meaningless motion I know, but it gives me a little idea of how this may behave.

I think it will want to rotate pretty fast, so the crank and pushrod mechanism will have to be smooth.

Still thinking about how to build the sliding magnet portion of the device. The patent shows an idealistic mechanism of just a rod and slot, but this will need much more support that that.

I have the next two weeks off from work, so I hope to be able to put a fair bit of time into this.

gyulasun

Quote from: ken_nyus on August 24, 2007, 01:37:11 PM
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Still thinking about how to build the sliding magnet portion of the device. The patent shows an idealistic mechanism of just a rod and slot, but this will need much more support that that.
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Hi,

Maybe the ideal solution would be to use linear bearing, embedded it into the slot?  This way the linear bearing would give a second 'fixing' point for the axle (#43 in the patent drawings) beside the arm (#42).

Another solution is maybe using two parallel rods as the middle part of the axle made out from two Y shaped parts facing each other by the parallel prongs and you fix two small ball bearings in the middle (one bearing on one prong, another on the other) and the bearings would roll/touch the inside walls of the slot?  A bit involved I know...

Maybe other members here can come up with better suggestions.

Gyula

EDIT:  Just occured to me another suggestion, a home made linear bearing...
Fix a short cross arm onto the outside of arm #42 and place two ball bearings at the edges of the short cross, the bearings will roll on the outside surface of support member #221 in Fig.1 and fix another short cross arm with two other ball bearings at its edges, these bearings will roll on the inside surface of member #221.  Basically you sandwich the support member #221 with 2-2 ball bearings that will be able slide easily on the surface of the member.  Understandable?

ken_nyus

Quote from: gyulasun on August 24, 2007, 02:00:42 PM
Hi,

Maybe the ideal solution would be to use linear bearing, embedded it into the slot?  This way the linear bearing would give a second 'fixing' point for the axle (#43 in the patent drawings) beside the arm (#42).

I have been searching for linear bearings on the web, but have not found anything that looks usefull. I'm not sure i really see how to use most of the linear bearings I have seen. If anyone has links to good parts suppliers, they would be appreciated.

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Another solution is maybe using two parallel rods as the middle part of the axle made out from two Y shaped parts facing each other by the parallel prongs and you fix two small ball bearings in the middle (one bearing on one prong, another on the other) and the bearings would roll/touch the inside walls of the slot?  A bit involved I know...

I think I can visualize this, but not sure.

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EDIT:  Just occured to me another suggestion, a home made linear bearing...
Fix a short cross arm onto the outside of arm #42 and place two ball bearings at the edges of the short cross, the bearings will roll on the outside surface of support member #221 in Fig.1 and fix another short cross arm with two other ball bearings at its edges, these bearings will roll on the inside surface of member #221.  Basically you sandwich the support member #221 with 2-2 ball bearings that will be able slide easily on the surface of the member.  Understandable?

I think I can see this one now too. I like this idea because it restricts total movement in several directions. It kind of clamps #43 to the plate #221.

I am turning the whole device 90 degrees so that the sliding member will move parallel to the ground, and then I think I will support #43 from both sides (in the patent they only support it on one side, the side with the flywheel using #221).

Using your idea this would be 4 bearings on each side, but it could be very stable repeatable movement if the bearings hug the support members tightly.

Thanks for the help!