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Stanley Meyer, please meet Stanislav Avramenko: Water as a fuel...

Started by tao, August 08, 2007, 01:44:36 PM

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starcruiser

I would think the capacitor in the AV plug diagram should be the WFC. The number of AV plugs could be one or more depending on the number of cells in the WFC. I would start with one AV plug and run the cells in parallel to start and then try a series config just to see what happens.

The spark gap is symbolic of the gap between the plates in the WFC. The electron drain (additional SS rod??) from the WFC would be the recycler of the potential back into the circuit or receiver. Wouldn't you think? maybe a SS container with the cells isolated from the container?

run the electron drain thru a load and back to the HV transformer as shown in one of the circuit diagrams (if I recall correctly).

Just some thoughts, I am arm chair quarter backing for now, not enough time to try this myself.
Regards,

Carl

zerotensor

Quote from: Farrah Day on February 01, 2008, 10:05:04 AM

Yes, you can have voltage without current, ie a battery, but you can't have a voltage across a capacitor without charges on the plates - it's the charges on the plates that create the voltage!

Voltage is a difference in potential created by charges. To have a potential across the plates of a capacitor means that the charges on each have to be different, mis-matched

Voltage is not the right term to use in this situation.  What I think is being suggested here is that we are really talking about the potential, which is related to voltage, but not exactly the same thing.  "Voltage", as you use the term, really only applies in electrostatics.  In the potential formulation of relativistic electrodynamics, the scalar potential and the vector potential are unified in a single 4-vector potential.  A scalar potential can manifest in a region of space as a result of the coupling of vector potential fields produced at a distance, without piling up any charge there.  Such a potential has the same capacity to do work as one which is built out of a quasi-static arrangement of charges.

So, FD, what you say is true in electrostatics, but we are dealing with electrodynamic phenomena here.  The single-wire transmission line is a conduit for compression waves in the 4-potential.  Can such waves induce a scalar potential difference at a distance without piling up a bunch of charge there?  I think the answer is a definite yes.


readyakira

Interesting in seeing how this one plays out.  I think you will still have some figures to play with when dealing with the wfc's changing properties as it is being used, but a very very interesting concept anyways.

AhuraMazda

@zerotensor,
Quite so. Voltage was a wrong label for what I was trying to describe.
I was stuck for words to reply to FD. Thanks for your detailed response.

@readyakira

Yes. I believe we are going into unchartered waters.

AM

demartin

Quote from: zerotensorIn the potential formulation of relativistic electrodynamics, the scalar potential and the vector potential are unified in a single 4-vector potential.Ã,  A scalar potential can manifest in a region of space as a result of the coupling of vector potential fields produced at a distance, without piling up any charge there.Ã,  Such a potential has the same capacity to do work as one which is built out of a quasi-static arrangement of charges.

That's important. You could have a gradient-free scalar potential field that oscillates over time. What kind of work does this produce? Well, the Lorentz gauge shows that divergence of the vector potential is proportional to the time rate of change of scalar potential. Further, divergence of the vector potential is also proportional to charge density. Therefore if you have an oscillating voltage field, gradient-free, you would have oscillating charge density. This means the water molecule, being a dipole, would shrink and expand when exposed to such a field. The field would shrink and expand the electron shells too, perhaps switching off that covalent bonding electron pair and allowing the DC field maintained by the blocking diode to easily pull apart the water molecule.

[For those of you unfamiliar with those terms, scalar potential is basically the 'voltage' field from which an electric field arises when there is a gradient in it, while vector potential, aka "A-vec", is the 'flux' field from which magnetism arises when there is circulation in it].