Stanley Meyer, please meet Stanislav Avramenko: Water as a fuel...

[tao]

Hi Tao,

It?s an honor for me, really, to partially reply to one of your posts.

I?d like to address the Avramenko?s plug.
I have begun experimenting with it starting from 8-9 months ago. I really did not know at that time that the setup has a name and that it was actually extensively researched/studied as I stumbled upon it by pure coincidence. (I don?t think my personal experience is relevant but I can give details, if needed.)

Anyway, I found that although no real current is flowing through the one wire setup, power through that wire is still flowing. In all, the power from the power source is partially transferred to the load connected after the Avramenko?s plug, despite the fact that one can not measure a real current in-between. In my understanding, there is a longitudinal oscillation occurring in the single wire (between the electrons along the wire) and that oscillation is carrying real power. (There are limitations, also; such an oscillation is less effective than the usual two-wire setup/transversal oscillations).

I felt to post about it because the set-up for verifying the above is not very complex and facts can be relatively easy verified. I can provide info for other experimenters, if interested.
I also felt to post because, although energy is transferred, it is not free, as some wrongly assumes. Based on a dc ? ac (kHz) ? one wire ? Avramenko?s plug - dc setup, I was able to verify the down to a very good precision the dc power-in and the dc power-out. They match.

Many thanks for your attention,

Tinu

I thank you for your response Tinu.

You bring up a key issue, and the reason for my slight introduction to my intro post in this thread!

You said this: "I also felt to post because, although energy is transferred, it is not free, as some wrongly assumes."

I totally agree with you, the energy isn't free at all, we are only getting on the output what we put into the input, about 100% efficiency.

The KEY here is this: We are USING the Avramenko type setups to ENGINEER a HIGH VOLTAGE with practically NO CURRENT, and we are then applying THIS ENGINEERED OUTPUT to WATER, in order to SPLIT that water. WATER is our FUEL, which must be ADDED to our setups continually as we USE THE ENERGY FROM THE WATER... In this instance, water is no different than GASOLINE, BUT to US, water is easy to get to and to US it is almost FREE, so we might think its all free energy, but it isn't!

So, We would be using an Avramenko type setup, KNOWING that there is NO FREE ENERGY involved with it, but KNOWING that an Avramenko type setup can ENGINEER the right types of High Voltage and Low-to-no current that we need to SPLIT the water so that we can use the WATER's energy content for use in our generators!

So, no breaking of any laws, nothing really obscure happening here, just precisely engineered inputs to the SS plates, so that we can GET TO the water's energy source! Just like plants already do!

Thanks for your post.

[Super God]

This is good news, now I can use all those parts I bought for the lawton pulser for something else, like a tpu pulser or something.  What value would the capacitor in the circuit be related to?  Does it depend on how far away the condenser plates are from one another?

[Nastrand2000]

So...If I am to understand this....the closer the SS plates are together, then a lower voltage can be used( 100 to 1000)...using the water as a dielectric. Dielectric breakdown is measured between the oppositely charged plates and their medium. I am interested because I have a motor that runs on 16 milliwatts (0.008 amps @ 2 volts) and produces 160 volt spikes. This has been measured with an oscilloscope, and the motor runs at about 60 rpm at this setting.  However, if this voltage could be used to generate h2, then I would like to further this experiment.   

[Super God]

I've got an idea to re-vamp the lawton solid state circuit to use the MOSFET and ONE 555 timer to drive the plug.  I have little ceramic capacitors that I could run in series or parallel, dunno which yet.  But essentially I'm cutting the circuit in half and using a plug to interface with the gaps, maybe a plug for each one!  What would you recommend for a capacitor value?  Obviously a very high voltage.  Low capacitance, high capacitance?  I dunno.

[Super God]

Ooo another question popped into my mind.  Do we use a SINGLE plug for EVERY two plates (pos and neg in a normal setup) or do we use a plug for every two plates?