The truth about "overunity".

[Navi-gator]

MG,

Allow me to jump ahead and answer your next question.

"How is it possible that Dante's device can only be 67% efficient if clearly it is putting out more power than is being put it when the device is connected, i.e. Pi=4800W, and Po=5000W.

Well, I have not read any of Dante's material, but I gather from the Carnes report, it is some kind of mechanical apparatus that attaches to the shaft in between the motor and generator.

In addition, I assume that no internal modification has been done to either the motor or generator when Dante's device is attached. Correct?

If the above interpretation and assumption is correct, then the reason the efficiency calculation is unaffected is because none of the losses, either internal or external to the motor and generator have been removed or modified.

Internally, there are bearing, Lenz, eddy, I^2R, heat etc. losses that don't go away just because Dante's device is attached.

The phenomenon that is responsible for achieving COP>1 in Dante's case arises from additional energy being furnished to the overall system via an outside force. In this case it could be gravity, it could be something to do with the "Aspden Effect", or perhaps along the lines of Schauberger's work, but whatever the mechanism dante is using, it is allowing additional energy in some form to enter the system, making it COP>1.

Agreed with all of the above.

With or without this mechanism, the system efficiency remains the same.

This is pure speculation on my part, but how far out of the box is it to think maybe the mechanism uses forces of nature to reduce friction?

I can think of a few interesting phenomena where centrifugal force allows solid objects to defy gravity, that which causes friction.

Without Dante's device, let's assume there is a heavy flywheel attached to the shaft between the motor and generator. Now apply enough power to cause the motor to spin say 100 RPM. Let us also assume that the efficiency of this setup is still about 67%.

Now, you are standing close to the flywheel, and every second or so, you "slap" the flywheel with your hand in the direction of rotation, adding kinetic energy and as a result slightly higher RPM to the system.

So have you just altered the system efficiency? No, of course not. Have you then altered the system COP? Yes, absolutely.

If I am wrong about all this, by all means put me right...anyone.

Cheers,
Darren

Thats why Dante says over efficiency, again pure speculation on my part.

[Navi-gator]

Many arn't replying to the thread because they think dante is a scam, but because he got the definition of overunity wrong. THATS IT!!! NOTHING ELSE!!! Yet people are becoming very disgruntled by navigator posting the "words" of Dante. Dante calls people who say overunity to be wrong. That the laws of physics are wrong. What he doesn't realize is that the intention of the website is to prove many laws of physics wrong, in an open source way. Plain and simple, we are doing the same thing as dante, changing some laws of physics, but we still use the CORRECT definition of overunity. So why do I get pissed off about this thread navigator? Because it feels more like an attack on the website! Should we start attacking the words Dante uses on his website?

Think about it!

Now think about this!
You get on to the forum www.OVERUNITY.com and create a thread called The truth about "overunity". Then you make the intention of the thread to tell us how the dedinition of overunity is flawed.

Now do you see what I'm saying? It's one of the most rude things you could possibly do on a forum. Go to any forum and call it's title flawed and you will recieve resistance.

It seems like anybody unwilling to reveal secrets receives resistance and rightfully so. I understand the position you are coming from and have done my best to remain civil, as I agree and understand everything you say.

I am not trying to be rude instead provoke discussion. You need thicker skin, this is a public forum afterall.

I'll be honest, I have learned alot from this thread, and may well be wrong. Regardless how this thread ends I doubt it will have any impact on the success or lack there of achieved by overunity.com.

[Dingus Mungus]

I'm pretty sure NAV has gotten his answer already... Lets not let this thread turn in to name calling and semantics. Also I think h4h's point was that eccentric or "crazy" inventors tend to be very sane in retrospect. They're percieved as 'crazy' because people do not yet understand. He's not talking about himself or even a member of this board... You implied that.

~Dingus Mungus

Yeah thats me not defaming this Dante guy...
One could almost construe it to be support.

I'm in the middle of a move. My lab is in boxes.
I'm irritated and busy as hell, and I come back to this.
I picked a hell of a time to take a break from the site.

Some one show me one instant where I insulted Navi or Dante...
QUOTE IT!

You've been using my handle as some sort of insult
because I answered your question accurately.
Fucking with my hobby because I gave a logical arguement.

Respond with well thought out words...
I'm not he one who looks like an asshole here.

~Dingus Mungus

[z_p_e]

DM,

To whom are you referring?

[ring_theory]

I'm pretty sure NAV has gotten his answer already... Lets not let this thread turn in to name calling and semantics. Also I think h4h's point was that eccentric or "crazy" inventors tend to be very sane in retrospect. They're percieved as 'crazy' because people do not yet understand. He's not talking about himself or even a member of this board... You implied that.

~Dingus Mungus

Yeah thats me not defaming this Dante guy...
One could almost construe it to be support.

I'm in the middle of a move. My lab is in boxes.
I'm irritated and busy as hell, and I come back to this.
I picked a hell of a time to take a break from the site.

Some one show me one instant where I insulted Navi or Dante...
QUOTE IT!

You've been using my handle as some sort of insult
because I answered your question accurately.
Fucking with my hobby because I gave a logical arguement.

Respond with well thought out words...
I'm not he one who looks like an asshole here.

~Dingus Mungus

I have to agree with you on this one there was no reason for it to go down like that.