Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[HeairBear]

I have also been looking for the "Natural Water Hydrogen Generating System"  S/N 6/302807  or # 492680 Issued July 10, 1989. It is possible the patent may only be found at the office he submitted it to. It is the diagram of his "Demo Cell" and the rest of the electronics such as the alternator and PWM can be found in patent 4798661 and the "Tech Brief". Notice there are no chokes in the original diagrams. It seems he is leaving one crucial component out of the diagrams. So all we really can do is build it, try it, and find it doesn't work. Many of you and me have done this including Dave Lawton, Ravi, and so on. But the truth is, No body has truly replicated Stans work in it's entirety. Close, but no cookies yet.

I have become obsessed and consumed by this missing component. So since Stan is gone and his brother isn't really talking, the only thing I can do is try to find what he learned and from whom. Part of the secret may be in his references cited. One of the cited patents is Puharich's patent 4394230. I have also been constantly reading about Keely, Tesla, Schauberger, Bedini, Berliner, Suslick, etc. I would have to say from what I have read, the King is truly Keely. Dale Pond has a HUGE collection of documentation @ http://www.svpvril.com/. Keely could make water explode among a plethora of other things but the exploding part is what caught my attention. Stan claims this also. Further reading of Keely, I found he used cavitation and the water hammer effect with valves at a resonant frequency of the wave guide or cavity. Minus the water hammer effect, so does Stan. Hmmm interesting...

So, I got to thinking. How do they cavitate water in todays world? What does cavitation really do to water? Thats when the big light bulb above my head went bright! He used a transducive material or simply a transducer in the inside of his cathode tube. Suslick's research shows, quote,  "The chemical effect of ultrasound on aqueous solutions have been studied for many years. The primary products are molecular hydrogen (H2)  and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). Other high-energy intermediates may include HO2 (superoxide), HÃ,·  (atomic hydrogen), OHÃ,·  (hydroxyl), and e-(aq) (solvated electrons). Peter Riesz and collaborators at the National Institutes of Health used electron paramagnetic resonance with chemical spin-traps to demonstrate definitively the generation of HÃ,·  and OHÃ,· . The extensive recent work in Arne Henglein's laboratory at the Hahn-Meitner Institute involving aqueous sonochemistry of dissolved gases has established analogies to combustion processes. As one would expect, the sonolysis of water, which produces both strong reductants and oxidants, is capable of causing secondary oxidation and reduction reactions, as often observed by Margulis and coworkers." Now the pieces of the puzzle are coming together, for me at least. All I have to do is find a suitble transducer to fit my tubes and the experiments will tell me if it works or not. There is a lot involved to doing this correctly but I think I have a good idea how to construct it cheaply.

The next step for me is tuning my tubes. I will do this with a Rijke's tube style test where the tone or sound generated will determine the frequency. I think both cathode and anode have to match in tone and mass. We will see how that goes and then move on to finding a transducer. I thought of maybe making my own transducer but now I don't think thats such a good idea. Any comments?

Happy New Year!

[kewlhead]

HeairBear ,

The transducer part Im not follow'n very well ....Ive seen videos of a ten head transducer ..the kind that opertaes just under a couple inches of water and makes fog and also seen a video of someone with a transducer in the bottom of ther cells ( well over 2 inches of water ) and it appeared to dissipate any gas that had been created prior to power'n on the transducer.Im not familar with how transducers work myself and wish you the best on that venture.
Im gonna work on the power plates as I see em.My hope is to have some control on gas production aside from apply'n a higher voltage between the cells.Its hard to see how gas production culd reach high enough levels with out some kinda force aside from just the voltage between the tubes.
Think'n about the transducer part....
I really dont see how a transducer is gonna do much in a " bulk water " situation but it sure does throw a switch when I think of a drop of water or  maybe a constant flow of micro sized water droplets.So my thoughts about build'n yer own transducer are if you can figure out a way to get one inside of a spark plug fouler adapter thing and get a flow of micro sized or nano sized ,structured,charged,or ionized water to it on its way to the combustion chamber....hmm   sounds a bit wild to me...   maybe a pourous transducer material er someth'n...  any way at all to get the proccessed micro or nano sized water..   ehh   I dont know a thing about transducers   so i better shut up  lol.It seems like a transducer culd be a part of the system I just dont think it wuld be in the bulk of it.

[kewlhead]

HeairBear,

You reminded me of the spark plugs I use when you quoated Suslick as he stated "the chemical effect of ultrasound on aqueous solutions"
The plugs are said to produce an ultrasonic wave and the way it does it is with a whistle from a spark.I thought you might find it interesting how an ultrasonic wave is produced with these plugs so I took a pik to show the hole in the cathode,the anode ..I could'nt get a good pik of it but it is shaped in a special way.Just thought it was interesting.BTW they do give me round 3 more MPG.

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[HeairBear]

There are many uses today for transducers and water such as ultrasonic cleaning tanks, mixers, etc. different frequencies will cause different effects. In effect, each application will require a certain frequency or multiples of. Here is a partial quote from Berliners site @ http://home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/index.html

Ultrasonic processing applies intense, high-frequency sound to liquids, producing intimate mixing and powerful chemical and physical reactions.  The process ("cavitation") is, in effect, "cold boiling" and results from the creation and collapse of countless microbubbles in the liquid, producing shock waves.  The technique is used to accelerate reactions, treat wastes, ores, and minerals, disperse fine particles and suspend slurries, disrupt biological cells and tissues, homogenize and emulsify, and clean surfaces and porous materials.  This work entails "blasting" liquids, usually water, with powerful sound energy, unlike sonar, imaging, measuring, or non-destructive testing, in which the subject is not altered by the sound energy.  Most such work is done at very high frequencies, far above human hearing.  Processing, on the other hand, works at frequencies just above human hearing, 20 to 40kHz (20,000 to 40,000 cycles per second).  In ultrasonic processing, sound is used to change materials.  Some of the more significant applications:

SONOCHEMISTRY - exposing of fresh material surface to enhance reactions and even to generate new species hitherto unobtainable by classic means such as heat, electricity, light, and catalysis.

REACTION ACCELERATION - cavitation accelerates both chemical and physical reactions, such as those of surfactancy and detergency, which is why it is a preferred cleaning technique.

Don't forget that Stan calls his process a "Non-Electrolysis" method. With electrolysis, the higher the voltage, the more current. You can't get away from that without some sort of resistance. And resistance will waste energy to heat defeating the purpose all together. a catch22.

Here is a video for a bit of clarity of the process in action. (Links posted previously by AhuraMazda)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oNZcLyCR_Q
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/jmsc/1998/00000033/00000011/00339017;jsessionid=1ep9zh54lqhet.alexandra

Cheers!

[oystla]

Combining ultrasound with the Meyer tubes is a very ineresting idea I have also been thinking about.

My point here is that the cavitation bubbles will/should  reduce the breakdown voltage level, since water vapour have a lower permitivity..(?)

The "avalanche breakdown" of the water capacitor should therefore be easier to achieve with cavitation bubbles than without.....