Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[supermuble]

Hello, and thank you for the kind response.

I wanted to use an automotive coil for the primary and secondary windings for the VIC circuit show in Stans Patent. The inductors would come after and would have to be hand made because of their unussual properties. At least this is what I have reasoned so far, again correct me if I am off track.

mrgalleria, I am in suspense now waiting for your conclusion regarding the "true" mode of operation behind the Meyer system. I have watched Stans videos where he talks for 4 hours. He does say that the system isn't ordinary science, he says that a good deal of energy for the molecular breakdown comes from the 4th dimension therby keeping in line with the law of thermodynamics - energy isn't being created from nothing, it just coming from the universe in a way not properly understood by mainstream science. Obviously this makes sense, as the cell remains cold which is proof that electric current is not being consumed.

I have reasoned today that the main reason the cell utilizes free energy is in part due to the huge inductors that Stan wound. He wanted them to be oversized, and it is said that this is very important. The inductors must be oversized and have very high resistance, so they are limiting the current and also storing energy. The larger the inductors are, the more current is stored. I believe the VIC circuit is just as important as the pulse train which is just a basic frequency that can be adjusted. If the frequency were so important, than it could be found by hours of expirementing by cell builders (myself included). I think the tremendous amount of stored energy in the inductors is what keeps the circuit so special. The current cannot flow out of the water because of the diode, and the charging choke inductors. Also the gap between the electrodes works in conjunction with this circuit, so that no energy is wasted. You see, if you make a very close gap, the dielectric will break down far far befor reaching any high voltage, and you will be wasting energy because there is less voltage performing work. If you can use extremely high voltage - and save it up in the inductors and in the water capacitor until it can be used perfectly, then you are not wasting any energy. I can't imagine that stan would wind 11,000 ohm 4400 foot long biffilar inductors if he didn't need the inductors to work to his advantage. I am still learning, and I could be way off track, but it seems that inductors and the VIC in general is extremely important.

I was told by someone that said Stan specifically said not to make the WFC tubes too large, otherwise it will be much harder to tune, so I am believing that he meant it. Stan had time to perfect the larger fuel cell, so it seems like it would be easier to build it small until we figure it out and then scale up, not down. Maybe we need less Ego? I recently built a fuel cell with 4 (4") tubes cut and formed to make tubes spaced .040" apart in a large bucket of water. It created very large (1/2")bubbles with only a few amps and 12 volts and no electrolyte using a very small power supply. That was all the proof I needed that this technology is real.

Anyway I am still trying to understand the concept of "cold electricity" where magnetism and voltage can create free energy. Forgive me if I sound naive, or just plain stupid. I know I have a long way to go until I fully understand the Meyer patents. At this point, understanding his patents completely seems like an impossible task. I think in time, this type of open source communication will yield major progress. Best of luck to all,

Supermuble

[Goblue]

Has anyone seen this?Ã,  It is a plasma fuel reformer from Arvin Meritor.Ã,  Is this anything like the concept used by Stan Meyer?
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2004/06/arvinmeritor_cl.html

Or, even better!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs-Uk511S_I

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[mrgalleria]

Aloha,
Sorry, I thought that you had read all of the Meyer topics.
Quote "I also have been reading over Meyers patents and have come to this understanding.
In normal electrolisis, electricity (in many forms) is added to the water to split it apart.
In the Meyers method, he takes the electricity already binding the hydrogen and oxygen, and takes it away, causing the hydro-oxy to explode in runaway division, as the binding agent has been removed. He capitalizes on the natural law of electrical saturation.
Everything, according to it's nature, has electrical saturation. Meyers found a way to make the electrodes unsaturated, thusly forcing the electricity to release from the water into the electrodes, and maybe also into the air (where it came from in the first place)."
Your not stupid, your just thinking in a logical way according to current understanding.
Stan must have thought- if you can put current in, why can't you figure a way to take it out. It is there in the water. The inductors work like big vacuums, drawing electricity from the water when the square wave in the pulse stops, causing the coil field to colapse. The stronger the coil, the bigger the pull on the current in the water. This explains where the energy comes from- not the 4th dimention, not space energy, not either, etc. The energy is THE ELECTRICITY ALREADY PRESENT IN THE WATER. There is a huge amount of current and gas in the water. It is said that there is 1800 gallons of hydrogen in a gallon of water.
It took me a while to come to this conclusion, please don't feel bad. But it is a result of the facts, strange as it sounds. No scientist will ever agree, and he cannot. This information has been carefully guarded by all governments for the obvious reasons. It is this knowledge that gives individuals almost unlimited power.
Bill

[strewf]

Hi all, another newby!  Just took delivery of stainless steel sheet, but still working on the electronics, does anyone have a car working on this HHO set up and how did they manage to get the gas variable with the accelerator pedal?
What is the real output needed in cc's or c inch per minute to power an average size car?
Regards to all. Strewf

[supermuble]

mrgalleria,

That was an excellent description of the electricity potential in the water - and how it can simply be removed to split apart the molecule. I very much agree with your description. I am taking a guess here, but wouldn't that mean that the electrical energy in the water is being replaced as it is being released (during pulsing) because there is no heat created, something has to be replaced, as Stan said you are really not getting something for nothing, and he did say that energy is coming into the water via a shutter effect (radiant energy). If you are starting with something that is not an electrolyte and you are extracting electrical work from it, that is truly amazing!

One other thing that doesn't make any sense to me. Stan used a plastic coating over the outside tube in one of his patents to reduce electrical drain in the circuit because the outside tube doesn't need to be conductive. But everyone thus far is talking about an oxide layer on the outside of the stainless steel and Stan specifically said "non oxidizing" metal. So wouldn't it be possible, because the amp load is so low, to use painted steel. I haven't tried it, but it would be interesting to see if you could make it work by lowering the gap down to .030 or so to account for the possible increased dielectric of the paint. I don't think I have anything to lose by trying some other things that are unconventional just so I can learn and experiment - it is a hobby after all. I know there are plenty of people working to reverse engineer the concepts and I will be able to learn from them when the knowledge is complete.

Anyway, for anyone using plates, they will work, but they seem to be less efficient per Stans initial experiments during his first attempt at getting a patent. He said the plates are about 3 1/2 times less efficient with all things being the same. I was all set on using plates until I read this.

Thanks for the great description and info mrgalleria