Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[hartiberlin]

Here is a message from user ravzz:


Hi Stefan,

I've tried opening a new topic for this but I couldnt.

Check the following videos:

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vzTzqpp-Uk
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNJ_vjuO_ME
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1lScTsHBkQ
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiyfwWuA9gA
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nto66FTfdTg
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqSyTiPu8VI

For all the info on these videos you could go to

www.oupower.com

Discussions.......than hydrogen forum.


You could copy all the info i've posted there under the user name ravzz and post it here if need be.

Just thought i'd help as many people to replicate my WFC before im stopped again.


Regards,
ravzz

[Dyamios]

How many times is this going to be scrapped up off of the basement floor?

I don't want to be a pessimist or anything, but really, why is there any rhyme or reason to believe that pulsed (essentially AC) electricity will somehow fracture water molecules any better than regular DC. There is no electrical resonant frequency of water to be found. It physically does not exist.

H2O doesn't even vibrate in any electrical fashion, let alone has the capacity to hold resonant energy. The simple reaction occurring during electrolysis is merely extra electrons being transfered to form gaseous Hydrogen and Oxygen (diagrammed below):
H20 + e- -> H2 + O2

The reason there is less energy use is because of the minute gap between the electrodes. The smaller the gap, the less distance the electrons and ions have to move to form new molecules.

The reason the water heats up is because when the water molecules fall apart when extra electrons are supplied, the various atoms must migrate through the water itself to the various electrodes, where it finally forms the gaseous form. As these particles move, they bump into other molecules and atoms, and add entropy (in the form of heat) to the system. This is INEVITABLE and ALWAYS occurs no matter what kind of frequency is used. The less gap, the less chance for the particles to bump into each other, therefore creating less heat, but heat will ALWAYS be produced.

Therefore electrolysis can NEVER under ANY type of circumstance be more than 99% efficient.

Stanley Meyers had a flawed understanding of the process of electrolysis, and his theory was debunked by the patent office.

Electrolysis does not magically break apart water molecules wherever they stand. The particles must move extensively, and whilst doing so they always add entropy to the system.



I'm begging everyone who reads this: PLEASE learn the rudimentary science before running off go blindly believe somebody. Most, if not all, of the theories here are flawed in some basic way (it goes without saying that the laws of thermodynamics are excluded from this, as every theory violates this).


Enough of Stanley Meyers. He was a fraud. His theory was flawed. He was weighed, measured, and found guilty. What does it take to get people to realize that water is NOT an energy source. At most its an inefficient energy carrier.

Hydrogen is only the future of MOVING energy, NOT making it. Please people, understand this!

[NerzhDishual]

@Dyamios

What about this link?
LOW CURRENT ELECTROLYSIS OF WATER
Ph. M. Kanarev

http://www.guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/electrolysis/index.html

Best

[Dyamios]

I read it through, and it doesn't really prove anything:

Conclusion



        Energy efficiency index of the low current electrolysis should be refined, but in any case it will be greater than 10, that?s why there is every reason to think that a way to production of inexpensive hydrogen from water and transition to hydrogen energetic is opened.

It's not terribly efficient, and its not near overunity. This is just a method of using less current to make hydrogen (less energy in general), which does make less heat, but also makes far less hydrogen:

generates small quantity of gases

What's your exact point of posting this?

This further proves my point that hydrogen is merely an energy *carrier* not a source! Its far more efficient to use batteries! The only reason to use hydrogen is because of its compressibility and use in combustion engines. But by the time you convert the electricity to hydrogen and back to kinetic motion, you've lost at least %50 of the original energy.


I still don't understand why there is so much research going into hydrogen technologies.

[rMuD]

there is so much reseach on it because it's a technology that is natural progression and cost effective to existing technology.  Meaning that we can retrofit the technology of the past 100 years to use a new fuel without a complete overhaul, as the migration to fuel cell, or to whatever power source comes up next. 

Meyers and others may have made this work, and even if they didn't this is a grass roots forum for people to try, and dream and hope maybe it did.  pulsed DC may work under the theory of charging a capacitor, need 300KV charge at 7mm to get it reach the breakdown voltage though, and I don't see anyone talking too much about it here. 

Everyone is going after HHO for 20-30% more effeciency..  I was talking to someone that compresses air thru a membrane that only allows Oxygen thru, and has simular results as these HHO companies are having, power conversion and emission reduction, 10x less grief possibly...

Mixing Aluminum and Gallium (Heat sink paste for Computers)  causes the aluminum not to skin, and gives off Hydrogen..  no oxygen though..  no other gases at all...  make H2, alumia (Alumia Oxide completely prepared for re-electrolysis) and gallium is re-usable with no conversion.  http://www.instructables.com/id/ECB3EDDF2FRVK4R/

I am more interested in this technology than most, as I have a gas hog, I get 2 Gallons to the mile.. to convert over to a Fuel Cell or magnetic flux or whatever bleeding edge technology would cost me $100k+  if not more.. dealing with weight differences, engineering etc...    where a Hydrogen Boost or HHO conversion solution costing me less than $5 or 10k    pay for it self in less than a year....