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[Water Gauss]

Farrah Day,
  I miss spoke when I said catalyst.  I should have said electrolyte.  A catalyst typically helps in chemical reactions and is in integral to the chemical reaction.  The electrolyte helps with the conductivity typically of a liquid, which is what is happening.  It is purely conjecture but I bet Bob's cell will eventually build up a similar coating on his plates.  The electrolyte would just help the process along until the oxidization builds up.

I've seen a pattern in Bob's posting.. He posts for a while then goes away.  Give him some time he should respond, especially if you are 'kind'.  Also in Reading past threads he is not inclined to respond to groups that bash or question him.  I think he just does his thing, but he does seem helpful to those who are willing to take time to develop a report with him.  I'm waiting to develop my cell more before I ask questions.  I am greatfull for the postings Bob does provide and that he has not dropped out all togeather like some have.

There is enough info in past postings for me to work on first.  Bob and Ravi have been clear that if you follow the D14.pdf AND also make the supplemental changes (using the coil thingy I'm still trying to understand, and adding a capacitor somewhere I forgot) you will get the same results.  For me I must first do myself and then I can ask questions.  Often my questions are answered just when I do first.

I am unqualified to compare electronic designs between Bob and Meyer's.  So rather than pretend I know or have a legitimate knowledge, I'll bow out at this time.  Give me some time and then I can weigh in with a credible voice.

I hope to be of better help in the future to you and the group.  Right now I'm going to go work on my cell.

And now because I think it is funny I'm going to say some CFCT (Crazy Fuel Cell Talk).  "If you take the elastic condition of the NFN plate and put it under a pyramid you can produce 30% H 70%O and 20%N, but only if your positive thought waves are in-line with the cell".

Water Gauss

[Farrah Day]

WG

Bob actually talks about a catalyst, but he also talks about a 'catalytic layer'.  There's no other way for me to put this, but I think those terms he uses are incorrect and confusing.

The oxide layer is not catalytic, it does not initiate the reaction. If anything the KOH that introduces ions into the water will initiate more reaction so would be better termed as the catalyst, but to my mind both terms are misleading in this context.

Bob, I know can be a bit touchy if you approach him the wrong way, and you might have noticed that tact and diplomacy are not my strong points, but his post is too vague for my liking.  I feel that like Meyer he sometimes uses jargon that is meaningless, as in the 'natural barrier voltage of water'... I mean, what the hell is that... has anyone ever heard that term used before???

I don't intentionally put anyone down unless it is clear that they are talking utter nonsense and bullshitting, that said, I get very frustrated when people like Bob, who are obviously looked up to, post and then just disappear without answering any questions that have been asked.  Its almost as if they don't have to justify themselves... which I think is arrogant and wrong.  I don't trust Bob, or anyone that tells you they know what is happening, but then can't be bothered to back up their claim with a little science.

There you go, you've got me ranting again!

[Water Gauss]

A couple things,
  I also have noticed that my cell holds a charge after it has been taken out of the water.  I t.

ested the new meter on many other things to see if maybe it was the meter that was the issue.  Nope when I went back to the cell I got about 1/2 a volt.  I could only sometimes short it out, depending on how I was attempting to short out the cell.

Back to catalyst...  Well I can not disagree with Bob about the layer possiblty being a catalyst.  Again refering to a catalitic converter on a car.  The converter is basically filled with small ball bearings covered with gold and platiunum or a honey comb structure.  It is why the catalyictic converters are so expensive.  The Gold and Platiunm cause the Nitrogen of the NOx gas to find a new friend in the presious metals.  If I remember correctly it only works at high temp because the electrons of the precious metals have to jump to the next outer electron shell to have enough pull on the Nitrogen.  Anyway the Oxygen takes it really personally Nitrogen found a new friend throws a fit and leaves with its already paired O buddy.  (It is some serious high school drama in the gasious world.)  Oxygen now having left leaves Nitrogen feeling really sad and since Gold and platiunum really are loners and normally don't do with in co-dependant chemical relationships, Nitrogen finds a true friend in another Nitrogen, they pair up and drift off in a stable relationship.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/catalytic-converter2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter

Anyway for us and for 316 stainless-steel, well read this first..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel

I think the chromium(III) oxide for may do something simiular with H20 as the gold and platimum do in the CC for NOx.  It might bond with the Oxygen, free the the hydrogen pair and regroup with another Oxygen.   Wouldn't bet my jepordy daily double on this idea, but it is something to think about.

Ok off to bed

Water Gauss

[Water Gauss]

I found this article talking about the use of KOH and why our cells are acting like batteries after the current has been removed.

http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/h2homesystem.pdf

Remember with any source of information, it is only as good as it's sources.  This seems to be credible.

Water Gauss

[Farrah Day]

WG

If you take a look at my other thread you'll see that I now realise why I have the voltage sitting there after the power is switched off.  The voltage and current during discharge can do work, as I popped a LED across my test cell and this illuminated for quite some time before the voltage dropped too far.

Today I'm starting to condition my large test cell.