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Circuit setups for pulse motors

Started by Nastrand2000, September 16, 2007, 10:46:33 PM

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RunningBare

I do replications myself, including Bedini pulse motor, Newman motor, MEG and Stan Meyers HHO.
I do these things because I do have an understanding of physics and want to see myself what all the fuss is about.

I'm not here trying to prevent people continueing their replications, I think its great, but I do have more than a basic understanding of BEMF and lead acid batteries, yes the chemical reactions do play a part, very much so in pulse motor replication, but if you really want to test this, try lead acid 1 AH batteries, keep swapping them over after each charge, one as the power the other as the battery being charged, I guaruntee you they will discharge as at a normal rate depending on current being drawn, trust me, it would take a month to test with car batteries NOT a couple of days.

Any chemical battery will exhibit bounce back voltage due to chemical reaction taking place in the cells, but eventually they will discharge.

Quote from: tropes on September 29, 2007, 08:55:09 AM
Quote from: Nastrand2000 on September 29, 2007, 01:56:02 AM
... this won't run on caps alone. It does take the battery chemistry to keep it going. So no free energy here. But the mA gauge is reading true. It is from the power input added to the recaptured amperage.
Jason
Jason
Your answers are so predictable to people like Runningbare. Personally, I think your anwsers are scientifically based but you will never win arguments with anyone who already knows the answer before asking the question. So please, let's stick to the original plan of sharing information about pulse motor circuits.
Tropes

tropes

Quote from: Nastrand2000 on September 29, 2007, 01:15:32 PM
Well at least one good thing came from last nights merriments, the motor will now run on 1.5 volts 10 milliamps which is .015 watts or 15 milliwatts. Its charging a cap to 16 volts dropping into a battery through a zener diode.
Jason  
Okay Jason, do you physically switch the 16 volts from the cap to the battery or does this voltage just flow from cap to battery?
Runningbare, would you mind uploading a few photos or circuit diagrams of your work. None of us expect you to contribute the way Toad and Jason have but it is our goal to compile a source of information from experienced builders.
Tropes

thinkgreen

Here is my question:

I despirately want to build a pulse motor but when I look at schematics, as I am not an electrical engineer, am finding some explanations too difficult to read.  I am trying to build my own electromagnet with 19 gauge wire-any recommendations on amount of windings using a bolt?

secondly i will be using a reed switch to the coil but need to know does it hook up to th negative or positive before the coil or does it matter?

I want to collect back emf  from the coil and send to a capacitor,do I have to have two windings on the coil to do this or if not can i just simply hook two more clips to both sides of the coil to collect? Will I need diodes in place and if so any recommended size or type and wherein the circuit?
Re 555 timer switch-where in the circuit would this go if needed? once again, so many different pulse motors out there and everyone seems to be doing something a bit different. I really like what  is bing done with the MK5 as well as with John Aarons and the Jazz motor but John is taking back emf from the coil where everyone else seems to be using secondary coils to take it. As well, John is using a relay switch after the reed switch before the coil due to the amperage issue with the reed switch,

Once again, any drawings that can show a circuit without using all of the electronic coding (perhaps it could read(capacitor with the specs on the capacitor and if there is a really or a diode or anything else in the circuit, could the diagram list in in english with the specs and maybe an explanation of what it is there for.  I feel  like a kindergarten kid.  My God-go into an electronics store and say you need a diode or a resistor or a reed switch etc and they ask which one-to find out that there are 50 different types size etc. and you realize that you don't have a clue and the videos or schematics online don't really tell me. I am playing in a world that is unfamiliar territory but I really want to play. can anyone direct me for pulse motor 101 please?? Thank You



tropes

Hey Green, welcome and hopefully you will get some help. Firstly, the  main links, http://www.theowlnest.com/circuit.html
and Hoptoad's page include some basic stuff. As well, http://www.simplemotor.com/  is a good starting point for basic pulse motors.
Don't try to understand everything at once - one thing at a time.
Tropes

gyulasun

Quote from: Nastrand2000 on September 29, 2007, 01:15:32 PM
Well at least one good thing came from last nights merriments, the motor will now run on 1.5 volts 10 milliamps which is .015 watts or 15 milliwatts. Its charging a cap to 16 volts dropping into a battery through a zener diode.
Jason   

Hi Jason,

I assume you are aware of the fact that your series zener diode CONSUMES (dissipates) energy and this energy heats the zener so cannot appear in the output (to charge the battery further)?  Dissipated power in the zener is its zener voltage times the current flowing through it.

Sorry to chime in but I thought mentioning this, even if you may as well be aware of this.

Gyula