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Giantkiller moves forward into Full Heterodyning.

Started by giantkiller, September 22, 2007, 12:39:11 PM

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aleks

That graph makes me feel happy :) Hope you can find something interesting. Have you tried sawtooth signals already?

turbo

Quote from: Feynman on March 30, 2008, 03:13:43 AM
Okay, so here is some of Jon's latest results.  I have been playing with LEDs this weekend, but Jon has been doing real  TPU research!!!


QuoteI have started on an isolation circuit to separate the TPU from the microcontroller in case of damaging output spikes. It uses an LED, a photo cell, a .1uf capacitor and two variable resistors. The LED will not produce linear output and the photocell takes a bit of time to update but my primary concern is to protect the microcontroller. The circuit is installed in a small box to block out ambient light.

For such a simple component compared with the rest of the project it has been the most difficult to finish. Four hours later is still doesn?t work. The current TPU output is not enough to light the LED in the box but it does light an LED on its own. I may have to bypass the variable resistor.
-Jon, Free Energy Group




QuoteThis is the first draft of the 6ââ,¬Â³ TPU results with one channel. The data collected used an LED powered by the TPU and detected by a photo cell connected to a microcontroller ADC. The gain is too high so the data was cut off at the top in two places. The frequency is not labeled but the left hand site or lower resistance value is on the left.

There are 5120 frequencies tested each for one second and sampled 6 times each value. The inital results are for the LTC1799 higher frequency band.

Quote6ââ,¬Â³ TPU 1 Channel Data High Freq.

This graph shows the results run again with the oscilator freqency band set on medium


Feynman:  I think this graph shows TPU voltage (Y-axis) vs oscillator resistor value (X-axis).  I *think* that lower frequencies are to the right and higher frequencies are to the left.

http://freeenergygroup.com


Hi Feynman

This is the point where i would put in a cny17 or something like that.
These are miracle devices and they handle the signals very well.
I always look at them as if they are the true " modern vacuum tubes "
They also handle high frequency.

An additional note on the feedback,
The tpu produces magnetic and hash radio around the coils and this induces tiny currents in wires and drive components.
Vacuum tubes are high voltage and they are not as sensitive as the solid state circuitry.
In solid state devices these tiny induced currents affect the operating principle of the driving circuits.
For example in classic TTL these tiny currents will make outputs go high....
So it is best to add aditional circuitry which pulls the open connections to absolute ground.
Like a circuit on top of a circuit which simply grounds "unconnected" connections.
Feedback to stabilize.
Now back in the days Steven didn't had all these gate ic's so he had to make all the logic by himself.

M.





aleks

Those resonances on the graph seem like the "device" resonates in the same manner as some sinewave voltage is being saturated (can't tell if its solid-state symmetrical saturation or valve-like). Plus some kind of multiplier modulation (hence the side-bands are visible). This may not be related to the voltage source, but this should relate to the "structure" of the device. Obviously the first "clipped" resonance (second one) is the main resontant frequency. Knowing a real pulse frequency and the scale of the graph would suggest the best mode of operation. This graph suggests that it's best not only create pulses, but to modulate them with a low-frequency sinewave oscillator. This will correspond to the full resonance.

Actually this resonance picture can be described with just 2 sinewave oscillators and 1 sinewave modulator (correct phases should be chosen as well). If this resonance is what you are looking for, you may not need to pulse it at all - just tune to these frequencies, and if there are more energy coming out, it may maintain a self-oscillation.

giantkiller

Looking across any of the complex wound tpu type coils permits the configuration of a tank circuit many times over depending the number of segments.
Firing the ring like it was a motor but letting the BEMF add ring to the tank resonancy.
Or instead of sequential firing, pulse all the tanks with their own resonancy note at the same time and let the unidirectional heterodyned product spin at the speed and the direction of the desired direction of the coil pulse directions.

--giantkiller.

Jon

Thanks for your feedback.

@marco
The cny17 looks handy because the photo cell I am using now will stay open after it has experienced a high intensity light. I will be replacing the LED with a filament lamp today because the output is already too high.

@aleks Re:sawtooth signals
The oscillator is a square wave generator but at the very high end the wave is attenuated. Thats why the results don't start until the resistance value of 50 because there is no wave at all. When the wave emerges it looks like a triangle. Another interesting point is that the voltage at the high frequencies is lower than the 5v at the medium range. The highest output value at about 175 the voltage is about 3v. This was the reason that I am also working on a 18" TPU in hopes that it works at a lower frequency.

I have been trying to resolve an issue with the second and third oscillator channel. I can't find the problem, the chip works, the connections are correct with no shorts and the code looks correct. I will be connecting the second channel to the oscillator today. It will have full frequency range but not full precision. There will only be 512 values instead of 5120.

Hopefully today I will have some results that show the interaction of two frequencies. The TPU's I am using are based on comments made by SM. One of the main concepts was on a comment about the design of jet wings for supersonic flight. I have posted my thoughts on my blog and if you have any comments I would like to hear from you.  http://freeenergygroup.com/?page_id=4   


Thanks Feynman for posting.