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Giantkiller moves forward into Full Heterodyning.

Started by giantkiller, September 22, 2007, 12:39:11 PM

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poynt99

Quote from: aleks on April 09, 2008, 12:40:36 PM
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
what does a saw-tooth (which you seem to like a lot) have to do with a dirac-delta function?
Well, the front of saw-tooth wave is a Dirac delta function. Square wave has TWO such fronts, but they are + and - Dirac delta functions, so they negate each other. Hypothetically one creates "anti-gravity" and the other creates "gravity". The net effect is zero. Saw-tooth is different in this respect in that it creates "anti-gravity" only, and then slowly fades away without creating additional non-equilibrium.

careful with this assessment. the dirac-delta function is a math construct only and can not be made in practice. also, it is of zero duration, so a saw-tooth (or anything else) can't be equated to this. we can only try to approach this with a brief pulse.

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You may try to argue that it's better to strike up and down, but I think it's not the case. When you are striking down (in the case of a square wave) you already have an electron flow running. So, when you are dropping current from 12V to 0, the effect is reverse: atomic lattice goes back into the state of equilibrium. This also creates a DC force formation, but regarding overunity power it will sieze the surplus effect of the previous wave front.

if you let the pulse "relax" instead of forcefully driving it "LO", you will have your psuedo-saw-tooth.
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators V2.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=248
Towards Realizing the TPU V1.4: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=217
Capacitor Energy Transfer Experiments V1.0: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=209

Jon

Re: Making Waves

While most of us are using square wave oscillators at the high end frequencies the wave turns into a semi triangle because of the semiconductor turn on time. I do want the square wave though.

SM commented that the kick occurs when you first send current down a wire and that it radiates perpendicularly from the wire. At the high frequencies, (possibly way higher than SM used) the wire acts as a transmitter so I don't know what effect a sign wave or saw wave would have. Its not a transformer where the collapsing field induces current in the secondary winding. I have noticed that the TPU control coils don't have to be coiled around the collector but just a piece of wire close by.

Also he said that the timing or tuning is extreamly precise. So much so that using some PCB boards that absorb moisture was enough to throw it off. I am assuming that if you pulse three instantaneous spikes so that they align in the TPU you will receive a cumulative addition. i.e. if there is a free energy component to an instantaneous kick on each channel then combining them should give you the maximum output.

Also SM mentioned that an understanding of "pure frequency" is important. A possible interpretation of this is a instantaneous kick, on and off with no wave at all. That is just a frequency. I want to trim the duty cycle from 50% to the smallest possible while still receiving the maximum amplitude. If the kick occurs at the start of the pulse then the longer the pulse lasts the lower ratio of FE procured by the kick has.

Thoughts and comments appreciated.
Jon
http://freeenergygroup.com/

poynt99

@Jon

good coherent thinking

not sure about the perpendicular comment..got a reference to that?

check for electrostatic coupling.

agree with you on the "pure frequency" comment. people automatically assume it means "pure sine"
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators V2.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=248
Towards Realizing the TPU V1.4: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=217
Capacitor Energy Transfer Experiments V1.0: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=209

aleks

Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 02:16:06 PM
careful with this assessment. the dirac-delta function is a math construct only and can not be made in practice. also, it is of zero duration, so a saw-tooth (or anything else) can't be equated to this. we can only try to approach this with a brief pulse.
Dirac delta function is an ideal approximation. Nevertheless it is a delta function. Saw-tooth and square waves both change their values abruptly, hence delta function is applicable. Fourier transforms of Dirac delta function is a square convering a range of frequencies, which also contains DC component. Are you trying to dangle this fact? Duration of delta transition only affects the highest frequency and energy you can attain: the faster the transition, the higher the overall energy.

Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 02:16:06 PM
if you let the pulse "relax" instead of forcefully driving it "LO", you will have your psuedo-saw-tooth.
This is what spark gap does, but it is uncontrollable to the required degree.

giantkiller

So in this previous explanation is a very good explanation the action placed on the electron and the response back. Included again is the open ended collector description.

Here I include the signal length description:
The triangle represents the pulse direction.
The pictures below each coil shows the magnetic field.

Coil A represents the frequency at or below the circumference. Here is show the circumferal freqency with a 50% duty cycle. Only half the coil gets the action. If we raise the frequency we get more pulses on each turn.

Coil B is made up of continuous wire of 4 turns. The circumferal frequency is down by a factor of 4.125. The pulse ends up back on the circumference start but 4 turns out.
Hence at this time the whole coil is energized thus the DC aspect. We now have an energy field to play with. AC anyone? Could the AC be the ringing of the signal at the start of settling time or the action of changing the wave through the pulse on or off time. This has been said before. But here we are with the lowest common denominators.

--giantkiller.