Giantkiller moves forward into Full Heterodyning.

[giantkiller]

@GK

See you have a fan base already, so where is the mp3? I have a couple of old tower blocks I need to destroy? Pleeeezeeeee....

Acerzw

Ok, ok. I have two choices. I will strip off the demo or rerun it. I have someone coming over who wants a live demo. Wooohahaha. She will be shaking and I don't mean dancin'. Oh yeah! I hear my standing wave is a real knockout routine. It's the jackhammer in your hangovers.

--giantkiller.

[acerzw]

@GK

Got a feeling the Egyptians might have cut the original score though.... listen to the MP3 on this page...

http://www.sacredwaves.com/egyptian_blue_bowls.htm

see http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3461.msg54266.html#msg54266

I'm gonna research this Egyptian stuff some more...

Acerzw

[armagdn03]

im sure this is obvious and I just missed it, but do you have your three frequency sources phase locked?

[innovation_station]

hello gk bolt and all


im going to buy a 4 channel car amp a real cheep one

@bold could you guide me in the mods? to the hacked car amp

i will try this first while i source and order the freq gennys  and get my tube amps and all the parts togather i want to build "THE RACK" but till then i will see if i can wreck a new car amp 

is

well i could not find a 4 ch amp in town so i bought 2 2 ch amps and they are bridigable to a 2ohm load and i think if i took then apart they will be small enough to fit inside my 15" ring

[acerzw]

@GK, Ist and anyone who doesn't mind listening to my insane babbling... 

Tonight I 'quietly' join the builders.... I have been collecting what I need for some time, while it has always been my intention to do so, two posts in particular have inspired me...

Firstly GK's very comprehensive list of longitudinal wave properties:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg54038.html#msg54038

Secondly the most excellent reply by bolt highlighting some experimental limits:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg54084.html#msg54084

This basically shows, complicated scopes and meters are definitely not required, since they produce little useful output and in some cases inhibit the very effect they try to measure...  in fact IMHO they are more likely serving to mislead... plus these devices were not available to Tesla, he used mainly his mind to model waveforms (well everything) etc.. so why should we need them... we might not be Tesla's but we have a good idea of what might be happening, we should try and see things from a point of view more like his...

I am consciously adopting a different strategy from many others, the more angles we approach this problem from at the more likely one of us will stumble on something good... I will approach this in a Hutchison like manner for fun and enjoyment... but organised...

My strategy is therefore going to be, that I am not going to try to produce OU at all, first I am going to try to produce weight loss in a physical object... their appears to be ample evidence, even among mainstream science, that this can be done with a single coil of wire. This removes the distraction and unnecessary complication of control coils when in the early stages of learning the ropes... keeping it simple, getting one coil working first...

Since weight loss is easily verified with a physical, non-electronic, device which removes the possibility of any type of wave screwing up electronic measuring equipment and producing false readings... it also removes human error in terms of scoping or measuring across the wrong part of the device, which seems the single most prevalent cause of false OU claims ... I will go with my intuition on what is happening, for I believe our bodies are the best measuring instruments of all...

Since we cannot measure longitudinal waves directly, measuring their effects on a known attribute of a physical object, such as weight, will prove they are present and having an effect, without disrupting the mechanism generating them, which as bolt says, is another common trap of OU device replication...

A weight loss coil should be simpler to get working, than an OU coil, as I do not believe the result depends on the waves in the coil being in perfect resonance with coil material... which this is only required when OU is the target... as the required effect is not being induced directly in the coil but into an external object... no feedback mechanism into the coil is required as with OU production..

I will base my coil design on wave and wave propagation theory and some very simple coil geometry maths... I will then adjust the parameters: coil radius/circumference and wavelength according to a logical and well documented plan until the desired effect is achieved...  I have a number of interesting ideas regarding how the longitudinal fields interact to produce the effect...

Once the longitudinal waves are working the coil can be adjusted, controls added etc.. with the goal of working on OU production in the hope that the main coil is at least partially configured right... the coil optimisation stage will initially be in regards to resonance with the coil material etc.. I will then move onto multiple coil configurations with control coils... but in a very graduated manner...

I can understand the audio tests being done and think they are great fun (I really want that MP3 of your setup GK), however my understanding of the field dynamics leads me to think that they will be of very limited use... The 3 speaker setup with 3 frequencies is useful when testing Keelys idea's (and the Tibetan pipe idea) but I think it will not actually reveal much useful information when applied to a TPU... 3 speakers could be said to model the 3 control coils that many believe are used... however this model does not contain the most important component, the main coil, which is where the OU effect is taking place. So I think you can learn a lot about basic wave interaction but in a TPU the 3 control coils do not act like speakers, they induce the main coil which acts like a transmitter and this produces the longitudinal wave. The main coil in my understanding appears not to be obviously not split into 3 sections though the coils may wrap it so, but it must I assume produce a single continuous wavefront inside the toroid with no boundary edges, in the horizontal plane? Unlike the wave fronts from three separate speakers... the TPU wavefront is as if it was produced from a singular circular speaker... hence the result when the single incoming wavefront meets itself, from opposing sides of the coil, in the center will result in entirely different wave interference dynamics, even more so after the wavefronts have crossed... the 3 speaker model will create 3 'lobes' in the horizontal wave form... as if three stones, creating 3 separate wavefronts, had been dropped at the circumference of a circular pool of water, rather than the single, wavefront produced by a hoop dropped, with a slightly smaller circumference than the pool, being dropped in it... these imperfections in the model will be propagated in the horizontal plane inside the toroid producing 3 'ribs' which will expand outward and further interfering with each other and may be re-reflected resulting in a totally unrealistic waveform... when comparing the audio one to the real longitudinal one...

In summary the audio TPU waveform model will be so grossly distorted as to be mostly useless... particularly when the propagation characteristics of audio and real longitudinal waves are taken into account, some conversion calculation for the frequencies would need to be applied... Please do shoot me down if I have made a false assumption here which seems entirely possible and more than likely to me...

Please do not take this as an attack on the use of audio, I'm not trying to be pessimistic about it, it's just a personal observation on why I will not be using it, it may well produce fruit in other ways...

I might however use a speaker with an induction loop to try and monitor what is going on in the coil from time to time...

There is also in my view no need to use audio at first for safety reasons as all my research leads me to believe that, as bolt stated, low voltage will produce longitudinal waves where as large voltages will produce harmful scalar waves...

I admire Ist's simple coil fabrication style and will mostly be building that way... simple coils, minimal electronics...

I will document all my work with my primitive coil rig, using no conventional test equipment, and hope that if I post any useful results, ever, they will be easily reproducible due to my simple setup... I do however have full video and audio capture capability... 

Acerzw... looking for a bang without the boom... 

for 'primitive equipment' read 'stone age', yep, no soldering iron! but, hey, alI is not lost! I do have some pretty tape... oh and as a good omen an SM style glass table!