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Giantkiller moves forward into Full Heterodyning.

Started by giantkiller, September 22, 2007, 12:39:11 PM

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armagdn03

Im going to have to disagree with you Innovation station. I had the mistaken belief that the gap was the part to look at as well. Actually Tesla devised many systems to control the circuit, and this is all that is important. The making and breaking of the circuit is what causes the effect in conjunction with his other necessary ingredients, it cannot do it alone with any great efficiency.

The air gap is simply a way to introduce a change in current that is very sudden. Any other system that causes a sudden change with respect to time will do. The secret is not in any one part, but in the system as a whole. You will never ever hear Tesla speak of a magic ingredient. BUT you will find him repeat the same 4 ingredients over and over in his patents. These four are what is important.

The diode you are looking for is a byproduct of using the right components in the right relations. Polarization is a natural effect of this cause.

The air gap is far from a diode. It will manifest a pressure on the anode and cathode, negative and positive respectively. The air in-between acts as the conductive medium, but it is different from metal in that the positively charged particles are not bound in place by the covalent bonding mechanism. Therefore positive ions will travel to the negative side, and negative ions will travel to the negative side at the same time. Said another way, both negative and positive current flows through the gap in both directions at the same time. This is not a diode.

I stress to you, you can learn all you want about this from reading his patents, and studying them, really study them. You will be rewarded.
I wish I could turn my brain off sometimes, then I could get some sleep.

armagdn03

Quote from: Grumpy on December 03, 2007, 11:49:02 AM
Tesla used a variety of quenched and unquenched spark gaps.  He used air blasts, magnetic fields, and rotational movement to extenguished the arc.  He had a multiple gap arrangement that produced no visible spark across it's gaps.

The diode effect was in the circuit that the capacitor was discharged in to.  Depending in the circuit, you can get damping or oscillations.  It all works together as I understand it.  The system damps or oscillates as a whole.

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EDIT:
Tesla abandoned his research with AC for RE - utilizing unidirectional thrust (impulses) - like a jackhammer.

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We are mucking up GK's thread and should move the discussion of Tesla and his work to another thread.


@grumpy
Your assessment of Tesla?s system is spot on.

But

I don?t think GK is worried about how we are mucking up his thread?.Notice how he has stoped posting on the progress he was making? Perhaps he found somewhere else on which to focus his attention.
I wish I could turn my brain off sometimes, then I could get some sleep.

Grumpy

You can also go the route of spark gap tubes.  Tesla did some work with this sort of thing and commented on hydrogen altering the shape of the impulse and that oxygen worked very well.  Commercial spark gap tubes are available with a variety of breakdown voltage ratings, various gas mixtures, etc.

I posted a few things here on spark gaps:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3674.msg61873.html#msg61873

We can continue this discussion there as it has nothing to do with GK's heterodyning.



It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards

innovation_station

yes  i am indeed not at the point to explaine this yet

im still learning

as we all are

what i have in my cap is what leadskalin has in his holder  as well as what sm is mimicing electronicly 

you can put this engery in some thing it can not escape from and put it to work

do you not see

lol

also once you know how to control this engery  you will be able to do many things with it

i noticed i could infact speed this engery up easly  this is where my no control theory comes from

i need not say more at this point

ist

but this       Merry Christmas to all   Histeam!!
To understand the action of the local condenser E in fig.2 let a single discharge be first considered. the discharge has 2 paths offered~~ one to the condenser E the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L  however  by virtue of its self induction  offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge  wile the condenser on the other hand offers no such opposition ......TESLA..

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Grumpy

It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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