Magnet motor , tried to replicate a 2nd working proto. Unsuccessful so far :(

[clearchrome]

Ok, I beleive I found the main key of my working design.

In every magnet motor design I saw to this date, as a key point missing explaining why they tend to be a failure design.

This key point is the fact that magnet are FIXED (stable) to a specific surface.
                Stable = Balanced = will stop eventually

What I mean is that every magnet in rotors or stators are FIXED and does not move to adapt the moving field and generate the same boring magnetic field around their configuration and leads to a stop after few turns.

The difference between my first setup and my second is that I removed the 3M dual sided tape. Without this tape, no matter what setup I put my magnets in , I had failures.

Here come the hearth pumping knowledge that made my success.

If you think in a more 3d aspect of magnetism, to make an unstable magnetic field , the configation needs to change in a way that the stator or rotor has no time to adapt for stabilisation.

A way I manage to do this is by having free floating magnet placed on a 3M tape. As the repel mode magnet passes over the magnet on the 3M tape, the magnet position changes, and in turn changes the magnetic configation of the global field.

Is there a Magnetic field simulators that takes this into account? Rotating magnets?


Will post a hand picture drawing of what I mean later on...

[clearchrome]

great effort keep up the good work......if you get it running again film it as it will give you valuable insights frame by frame of what is happenning
Mark

Yes I will , beleive me! loll I'm mad that I haven't done this the first time because I never expected a sucess that fast.

The problem that I had is that the 3M tape is not holding the magnets in place, they tend to move with time as the glue is not strong enouph. As soon as I find a valid solution, I will have my cam beside me all times.

[clearchrome]

I'm looking for 5 types of mini non magnetic bearings to prove to you guys that the concept is working.

Type of possible bearings that would sit on a 3/16" magnetic cube

X,Y, XY., Rot-C, Rot-CW.

-The "X" bearing would only allow X axis pitch movement of the magnet.
-The "Y" bearing would only allow Y axis roll movement of the magnet.
-The "X-Y" bearing would allow X-Y (pitch and roll) movements of the magnet.
-The "Rot-C"    would only allow Z axis Clockwise rotation.
-The "Rot-CW" would only allow Z axis CounterclockWise rotation.

See the point!?

[eavogels]

Hi.
I have nothing to solve your problems, but I want to say that I think that your observation is perhaps the solution for many others.
How often did we hear about device that woked as long as a stator was held by hand? All those devices failed as soon as the stator was mounted. But perhaps the stator should be flexibel mounted (like your Scotch tape)? Perhaps the Minato wheel works when the stator can move a bit back and forward?
Thanks you for sharing your observation.
Regards,
Eric Vogels.

[jeffc]

Ok, I beleive I found the main key of my working design.

In every magnet motor design I saw to this date, as a key point missing explaining why they tend to be a failure design.

This key point is the fact that magnet are FIXED (stable) to a specific surface.
                Stable = Balanced = will stop eventually

What I mean is that every magnet in rotors or stators are FIXED and does not move to adapt the moving field and generate the same boring magnetic field around their configuration and leads to a stop after few turns.

The difference between my first setup and my second is that I removed the 3M dual sided tape. Without this tape, no matter what setup I put my magnets in , I had failures.

Here come the hearth pumping knowledge that made my success.

If you think in a more 3d aspect of magnetism, to make an unstable magnetic field , the configation needs to change in a way that the stator or rotor has no time to adapt for stabilisation.

A way I manage to do this is by having free floating magnet placed on a 3M tape. As the repel mode magnet passes over the magnet on the 3M tape, the magnet position changes, and in turn changes the magnetic configation of the global field.

Is there a Magnetic field simulators that takes this into account? Rotating magnets?


Will post a hand picture drawing of what I mean later on...

Keep up the great work!  I built a drawing that shows using the tape in an "L" configuration on the magnets.  As the force is applied, the tape allows the magnet to tilt/shift, which might be a way to reproduce the effect you saw before.  IF this turns out to be true, I suggest you look at using a real hinge, as it would be more stable than tape but still allow the rotational movement.

Regards,
jeffc