TPU - General Discussion

[acerzw]

You talk as if there are all these already working OU devices that are readably available for use, lol. Do you have any concrete designs for any of those? Any comments from the inventors? That link is to Don Smith's page, and has been there for a long time, good luck getting any information from him...

@tao, I beg to differ... .

I do have concrete designs for OU devices, so I suspect do you and many others on this forum!  Here I will site two examples..

John Bedini has published many schematics that have been replicated, a book and a set of DVD's! As I am sure you are aware one replication was built by a school girl! Since then an even simpler design the Simplified School Girl Motor has been provided by John. Tom Bearden and John Bedini have provided enough comments, detailed scientific explanations and tutorials to fill an entire library and continue to do so....

BEMF is probably the most well explained, simplest and easily verified principle on which an OU device can be based! Absolutely no secrets have been kept regarding its use... Rocket Science it is not...

As I recall SM proved that too, for did he not describe, lest we forget, the simplest OU device of all:

4.In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured in a wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first electrons are caused to flow in it. This was explained because the earth?s magnetic field exerted some influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it. Or rather the electrons on the surface of the wire.
5.The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth?s magnetic field to produce a small kick. (Morgan Jones book, valve amplifiers. 3rd edition, page 262)
6.It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth and simple electrons running through wires
7. They say that you cannot get more out of something than you put into it. Then I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on... There in lies the secret my friend.

Even I can build that one 

Some of Don Smith's devices clearly work on similar principles to John Bedini's, notice the similar arrangements of magnets and coils, thought Don seems to have simplified the principle even further than John in some cases... He has multiple systems many of which appear to use ideas very similar to those posted on this very forum... reverse engineering them from the clear photos on his website has got to be simpler than attempting to replicate the TPU from SM's cryptic comments and grainy videos!

Using John Bedini's information alone is enough allow the design of endless OU devices...

Acerzw

[EMdevices]

Question. Why is an alternating current of 6000 hertz considered DC?

wattsup, I believe SMs TPU uses a diode bridge to rectify the alternating current and get DC, and inevitably we will have the ripple present (6000 Hz) as well.

On the other hand, if the phenomena truly produces DC current, then it's another story.   For example the magnetostrictive induced audio pulse can go round and round and resemble a magnet spinning round and round, inducing and draging charge with it in every LOOP OF WIRE.   This can certainly be happening as well.

Good question though, I asked the same of Mannix a while ago but I don't think we got an answer from SM.
   
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[tao]

You talk as if there are all these already working OU devices that are readably available for use, lol. Do you have any concrete designs for any of those? Any comments from the inventors? That link is to Don Smith's page, and has been there for a long time, good luck getting any information from him...

@tao, I beg to differ... .

I do have concrete designs for OU devices, so I suspect do you and many others on this forum!  Here I will site two examples..

John Bedini has published many schematics that have been replicated, a book and a set of DVD's! As I am sure you are aware one replication was built by a school girl! Since then an even simpler design the Simplified School Girl Motor has been provided by John. Tom Bearden and John Bedini have provided enough comments, detailed scientific explanations and tutorials to fill an entire library and continue to do so....

BEMF is probably the most well explained, simplest and easily verified principle on which an OU device can be based! Absolutely no secrets have been kept regarding its use... Rocket Science it is not...

As I recall SM proved that too, for did he not describe, lest we forget, the simplest OU device of all:

4.In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured in a wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first electrons are caused to flow in it. This was explained because the earth?s magnetic field exerted some influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it. Or rather the electrons on the surface of the wire.
5.The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth?s magnetic field to produce a small kick. (Morgan Jones book, valve amplifiers. 3rd edition, page 262)
6.It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth and simple electrons running through wires
7. They say that you cannot get more out of something than you put into it. Then I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on... There in lies the secret my friend.

Even I can build that one 

Some of Don Smith's devices clearly work on similar principles to John Bedini's, notice the similar arrangements of magnets and coils, thought Don seems to have simplified the principle even further than John in some cases... He has multiple systems many of which appear to use ideas very similar to those posted on this very forum... reverse engineering them from the clear photos on his website has got to be simpler than attempting to replicate the TPU from SM's cryptic comments and grainy videos!

Using John Bedini's information alone is enough allow the design of endless OU devices...

Acerzw

LOL...

First off, Bedini, he is a great guy for sure, but rest assured, rest VERY assured, that even the people in his inner circle of replicators, and he does have one, even THEY, who talk to him regularly, even THEY don't have their devices operating in OU yet!!! I wouldn't expect you to know that information, not many do, but it is the truth, believe it or not...

I had Bearden's book when it came out, and I know all about what SM said, I WAS THE ONE WHO HE ORIGINALLY SAID HAD THE KEY SECRET FOR A WORKING TPU... So, don't try to tell me anything.

You see, you mean well enough, but again, your comeback is baseless.

You are saying that BEMF is not rocket science and that is it easy and open domain, and that Smith's coils should be easily interpreted, against the knowledge of Bedini's devices, etc... Yet, all of that is conjecture, for in the end, you have no evidence for any working device.

I am NOT attacking you, I am merely trying to show you that you need to do some more research. And yet, even though I am ONLY trying to SHOW you your mistakes, you keep round-about attacking me, "Even I can build that one".

Now, although you may fully adhere to "Using John Bedini's information alone is enough allow the design of endless OU devices...", please note what I wrote above, about John's inner circle...

I am NOT SAYING that Bedini's work isn't OU-possible, and I totally see HOW it can work, BUT, the FACT IS NO ONE OTHER THAN BEDINI HAS DONE WHAT BEDINI HAS DONE YET...

You know how Bedini insinuated that he rebuilt Gray's tube (look it up on google) and he was using it and such? Well, he point blank told me that he never did get around to powering the TUBE like Gray did, nor did he see any cold current...

Just more evidence that MANY of the people in the OU community like to talk about OU devices that they are sure will work, but never actually make it to that stage, for whatever reason.

There are a lot of people who made it to OU land, be sure of that, but it isn't as easy as you are making it, PERIOD! You are making it sound like I'm a fool or something and that there is OU devices all around me if I would only look, and the plans for these devices are all WORKABLE and fairly simple to build, COME ON MAN, your delusional. Why do you think everyone is here?

Not ONE workable *PUBLIC* and *OBVIOUS* OU device yet, because if there were you can damn be sure that EVERYONE HERE WOULD BE DUPLICATING IT RIGHT NOW...............

[acerzw]

@tao

I see what you are saying, but when you make and use statements such as this:

First off, Bedini, he is a great guy for sure, but rest assured, rest VERY assured, that even the people in his inner circle of replicators, and he does have one, even THEY, who talk to him regularly, even THEY don't have their devices operating in OU yet!!! I wouldn't expect you to know that information, not many do, but it is the truth, believe it or not...

which you must be aware cannot be verified or substantiated by anyone who does not have your inside knowledge or contacts, regardless of the amount of research they undertake, then you must accept that many, me included, are simply not going to believe you!

Can you prove any of the above? How come those who know this in his inner circle have not said anything? Are they covering up for him simply because he is a nice guy and he grants them audience? I hope you can understand my healthy skepticism in regard to that comment...

What would John have to say regarding that comment, since you have knowledge which you say is privy only to his inner circle, can you contact one of them, or perhaps him, and ask him for us?

Acerzw

[tao]

@tao

I see what you are saying, but when you make and use statements such as this:

First off, Bedini, he is a great guy for sure, but rest assured, rest VERY assured, that even the people in his inner circle of replicators, and he does have one, even THEY, who talk to him regularly, even THEY don't have their devices operating in OU yet!!! I wouldn't expect you to know that information, not many do, but it is the truth, believe it or not...

which you must be aware cannot be verified or substantiated by anyone who does not have your inside knowledge or contacts, regardless of the amount of research they undertake, then you must accept that many, me included, are simply not going to believe you!

Can you prove any of the above? How come those who know this in his inner circle have not said anything? Are they covering up for him simply because he is a nice guy and he grants them audience? I hope you can understand my healthy skepticism in regard to that comment...

What would John have to say regarding that comment, since you have knowledge which you say is privy only to his inner circle, can you contact one of them, or perhaps him, and ask him for us?

Acerzw

No, I can't prove it, out of a respect for my 'word' to someone. That is why I ended the statement with " but it is the truth, believe it or not...". I don't expect ANYONE to believe my statement, without proof.

Why make the statement then? It was a adjunct to the rest of my comment, an additional 'truth' that you can choose to believe or not. It wasn't the basis for my last post, only an 'addition' that I thought some people, including you, might like to know, or at least 'tuck away' as a possible truth, and if the day comes that you hear something similar from someone else, maybe it can become a 'truth' to you also.

I completely understand your skepticism, and I would have the same skepticism as you. In regard to your question, about his inner circle covering up for Bedini, his 'inner circle' for lack of a better word, has spent a lot of money and spent a lot of time duplicating Bedini's setups, and they have results, just not 100% loopable (in the sense of taking the charged batteries and swapping with the running battery or powering an inverter off the charged batteries to restore the running battery) and repeatable results...

Once again, all I was trying to do was show you that I do know about all the devices you talk, yet, not even the devices you are talking about at 100% verified yet, and easily repeatable.

Hence, no CLEAR CUT OU plans are anywhere as of yet...

That is why we are here, you know that, we need to change that, WE need to duplicate, develop, rediscover, and engineer an OU device and distribute freely, PRECISE and CLEAR CUT plans for that device. I hope we are in agreement on that...