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TPU - General Discussion

Started by z_p_e, October 01, 2007, 11:32:43 PM

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tao

#30
October 03, 2007, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: EMdevices on October 03, 2007, 09:08:55 PM
Here's a better explanation of the OPEN TPU.

EM

Bravo, that is a really good synopsis there EM!

And HIGHLY PLAUSIBLE!

(merely summarizing what you said)...

Using fast/sharp pulses in the 4 control coils to induce fast physical movement to the lower ring (and hence the vertical output coils).

The OU component being the facet of free and very sharp movement of the lower ring due to it's own magnetostriction response ;), it then is this free OU component that moves the vertical coils to and fro in the field of the permanent magnets. This also explains the two sets of white wires that show up in the middle of that open TPU and go to the output cap there, always wondered where those wires were coming from...

I likey...

EMdevices

#31
October 03, 2007, 09:44:10 PM
Oh my God, tao, check this out,

In the video he says he uses 6000 Hz

From the video it looks like the TPU has a diameter of about 16 cm

Circumference =  pi x 16 cm = 50.27 cm  =  0.503 meters

Now,

Assuming the approximate 3000 m/s acoustic speed in iron

wavelength@6khz = [ 3000 m/s ] / [ 6000 Hz ] = 0.5 meters


WOW  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o

Same result man,   he is using ONE FULL WAVELENGTH RESONANCE !!!!

What a confirmation, wow.  I'm hooked man.

EM

tao

#32
October 03, 2007, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: EMdevices on October 03, 2007, 09:44:10 PM
Oh my God, tao, check this out,

In the video he says he uses 6000 Hz

From the video it looks like the TPU has a diameter of about 16 cm

Circumference =  pi x 16 cm = 50.27 cm  =  0.503 meters

Now,

Assuming the approximate 3000 m/s acoustic speed in iron

wavelength@6khz = [ 3000 m/s ] / [ 6000 Hz ] = 0.5 meters


WOW  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o

Same result man,   he is using ONE FULL WAVELENGTH RESONANCE !!!!

What a confirmation, wow.  I'm hooked man.

EM


Great minds..................

I was just about to guesstimate the diameter and measure against the 3000m/s myself, lol ;)...

Thanks for saving my time, hrmm, that seems like a PERFECT MATCH to the full wavelength resonance to me!  ;D

It is all just 'clicking' into place, it all fits. The kicks, having OU from a single wire, the frequencies mentioned by SM in his videos, the control coils perpendicular, everything.

I'm quite excited, to say the least.

Bruce_TPU

#33
October 03, 2007, 10:22:59 PM
@ EM

Congratulations, my friend!  I believe that you may have solved the piece of the puzzle, where SM says:

"The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil."

AND

"HEY, did you know that the frequency is proportional to the speaker's circumference? it appears that the frequency should change with the circumference of the speaker."

So, if this hold true, one now knows how to determine the fundamental frequency.  It is a good start.  Makes finding F2x and F3x alot easier!  LOL   ;) 

I mentioned the math along time ago on my thread.  I believe it was called "directiviity" and it relates to speakers, if I recall.  You have already showed the math, using iron, and it sure seems to fit!!   :o  I mentioned iron along time ago also, but was quickly silenced by people quoting SM's copper stranded for the collectors, not iron.  But if it fits, ...  ;)

You may want to try your math with the larger TPU and see what frequency you come up with also, and see if it matches.

Edit:  Unless of course that is the F3x, then one works backwards to find the fundamental frequency as most here know.

Cheers,
Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

BEP

#34
October 03, 2007, 10:54:11 PM
Following the same insanity....

If you lay the open TPU with the load connection South:

At SW, NW, NE and SE you have control coils (plate coils for the tubes)
wrapped over the control coils at NW and SE you have a grid coil (finer wire about 3.75 the inductance of the plate coil)

Coils at SW and NW are for the tubes at S
Coils at SE and NE are for the tubes at N

N & S hemispheres' coils are counterwound from each other (because feedback coils are usually counterwound? or each oscillator makes changes in the opposite direction?)

I'm thinking two separate blocking oscillators or magnetostrictive oscillators (either will follow resonance of the core AND the magnetic field environment) - not only to drive but also to limit.

STRIKE THIS>> And the bottom core/collector is a spiral wind to make maximum use of the magnetostriction effect.

I could go on but we'll see how that fits....

<realization>That is what the slit is for! To ALLOW for the expansion - How DUMB of me. The blasted thing is shiny black because that IS the normal color of annealed iron.</realization>

Sorry. I've already verified that what you say is actually happening - or could happen if that is how you build it. No OU here. And I do think you are right. The problem is I still think there is more to it but these should be solid basic operating principles.
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