TPU - General Discussion

[z_p_e]

It boggles my mind. SM has already provided enough information and clues as to the underlying principle and folks either ignore it or are totally oblivious to it.

I hate to start something but what really boggles my mind are statements like that. Yes. I've made them too. But now that I think about it if all the clues are there then someone, out of the billions that live here, would have a working device - not just claimed but one that is verifiable.

Same goes for the BB devices and I'm sure many others.

If billions were working on the TPU problem, perhaps it would have been solved by now. Obviously only a handful of folks are seriously working on it though.

Perhaps I need to clarify my statement:

The clues provided by SM do not on their own, give us a complete picture of what makes the TPU tick. It was never his intention to do so. However, the key main points have been given, and one must take them into consideration in filling in the gaps using the insights obtained by many hours of research, thinking, re-reading the SM material, and experimentation. Enough information has already been provided to do just that. SM said so, and even BB said so, regarding the TPU info that is available.

It was not my intention to imply SM has handed us all the secrets to the TPU technology on a silver platter. I'm pretty sure he wanted us to do our homework and open our eyes. IMHO most have failed in this regard.

[acerzw]

@EM & TAO

Clearly the penny has not dropped regarding the heat issue, it cannot be viewed in isolation from the coil degradation issue...

A fan will not help as SM stated, the heat can be radiated away, but the heat is caused by mechanical stresses in the coil, presumably due to its expansion and retraction because of magnetorestriction, which degrade its material over time.

A single TPU cannot run for a prolonged period of time because of the degradation of the coil material, of which the heat is a by-product. Removing the heat with any form of cooling device will not make a TPU reliable, the heat does not cause the damage, the heat is a result of the damage being caused.

Making the coil from another material may reduce the damage to the coil, but is also likely to reduce the efficiency of the coil, producing less power, which is just as undesirable as the heat and damage which it eliminates.

Tao's example of switching between four TPU's will remove the problem of a single TPU shutting down due to excess heat, however it will not prevent the degradation of the coil material which is cumulative. Resting a coil while another does the work instead will prolong its life, but only because it is being used less over a given period of time, not because resting it allows it to repair or regenerate, it simple cannot do that. The total MTBF for a TPU coil will always be the same, resting has no net effect.

This demonstrates the first fundamental flaw in the TPU's design, because of the mechanical effect that it utilises, it has an unavoidable mechanical mode of failure, despite being 'solid state'. It just flexes rather than rotates, in effect it is a linear motor and will eventually fail like one.

The second fundamental design flaw is that the TPU cannot be reliably 'caged', there is always a chance of the exploding TV effect occurring no matter how good the control circuit is. Like all OU devices it is not a closed thermodynamic system, it is energetically coupled to the source of the OU energy, which many assume to be the Earth's magnetic field. The source of energy which it is coupled to is however largely irrelevant, but we do know that whatever it is, it is very powerful, as evidenced by the TPU's output. The point is that the source is not 'controlled' by the control circuit, no one knows what controls it or how stable it is. A sufficiently large surge in the coupled energy source will feedback into the device. No control circuit can prevent this. I would suspect that a lightning strike in the local area would smoke all the TPU's around.

In essence the TPU control circuit stops the TPU calling down too much power from the source, but there is nothing to prevent the source sending down too much power to the TPU! The TPU is a loosly coupled device.... no cure for that...

It is clear that when this 'replication' project is successful what comes out of it, in order to meet everyones aspiration for a portable and reliable source of energy, will be a TPU in name only. A 'pure' SM style TPU cannot achieve the desired goal of reliability which this group needs because it's fundamental operating principles prevent is from being reliable.

What comes out of this group will not be covered by any TPU patents if they exist, because in essence it cannot and will not be a TPU! 

@tao, your idea is clearly insane, if you do not desire the TPU to be portable why bother working on it! There are many other much more efficient and reliable mechanical OU devices (and yes a TPU is mechanical for the reasons given above) which can serve the same purpose as a non-portable TPU for instance:

http://www.altenergy-pro.com/device09-2.htm

DOH! And the device above could easily be made portable, and scaled, the motor could easily be replaced by switchable magnets. Since it does not operate using magnetorestriction it will also not suffer from the coil degradation and reliability issues which the TPU does. Odds are that because it is simpler it may not explode so easily too!

Acerzw

[Grumpy]

i have a setup like a jet turbine.
when i put energy into the system, it starts to rotate, it also speeds up depending on the amount of energy i put in.
when i flip over the device and apply the same amount of energy ,it does nothing.
when i reverse the polarity of the energy i apply, it works in reverse.
the potential is concentrated exactly around the circumference so this would be the best place for the collector since i did not put one in yet.
i will try to do so comming weekend.

if my findings are correct the right rotation is counter clockwise horizontal and up vertical.
however im not totally sure because i do not see how these will slap each other...
the images i am seeing are becomming quite clear lately.
but i have this lonely feeling about how much people are actually trying to solve this puzzle by experimenting in stead of theorizing.
if i do find the awnser, i do not know how to proceed...
it's like it is laying in front of me, i only need to put it together, and this i can do anytime i want to.

M.

I don't think that a "slap" is required in a rotational mode.

[EMdevices]

I'm realy stuck on this simpler LINEAR concept derived from the TPU, can't you tell?   LOL 

If this doesn't work, then we know it has to be the CIRCULAR nature of the TPU, that makes it work.


Here's a simpler setup then my previous one.Ã, Ã,  Just a rod with magnets attached at the end.Ã,  The magnets also BIAS the Iron.Ã, 

How much simpler can one get?

EM

[acerzw]

@EM

Yes, your concept is good, but I think magnetorestricition is only one of several effects that combine to produce the energy, their is nothing to stop the magnetorestriction occuring in a circular coil, but the circle is essential because it creates the vortex which then draws down the power...

Does the magnetorestictive flexing of the coil material affect its capacitance, and when the material relaxes does its contraction create BEMF?

Acerzw