DISSOCIATING WATER, A KEELY Project

[hansvonlieven]

The Transmitter

The purpose of the transmitter is twofold. It is a convenient way to carry the composite audio signal to the point of interaction with the body under study and  it will also allow me to test the validity of my theory of the role of regenerative feedback in Keely?s system of progressive subdivision of wavelength.

In the design of the transmitter we have to make two fundamental decisions. The first is what system we use Amplitude Modulation or Frequency Modulation. This decision is an easy one to make.

Keely?s system relies on precise harmonic relationships between the frequencies involved. Only AM guarantees that relationship, as in AM the carrier frequency is stable throughout. All that remains is to choose a carrier frequency that is a harmonic of any and all audio frequencies involved.

As in FM, by nature of the system, the carrier frequency changes over a narrow band, incompatible vibrations are introduced that will generate unwanted beat frequencies and nodal points especially in the higher harmonics where we need to have the harmonic relationships as pure as possible to generate the effects we are after.

The second choice we must make is the frequency of the carrier wave. To start with I will stick with a frequency band between 40 and 42 Khz though I have reservations about this.

I know that a frequency of 42800 Hz is widely quoted as the frequency that Keely used to dissociate water. I wish someone would show me where Keely actually says this. The only references to that particular frequency I can find is in relation to gravity, magnetism and electricity.

As to frequencies used to dissociate water Keely says:

?The sound vibrations of themselves have no power whatever to induce dissociation, even in its lowest form. Certain differential, dual, triple and quadruple chords give introductory impulses which excite an action on molecular masses, liquid and gaseous, that increase their range of molecular motion and put them in that receptive state for sympathetic vibratory interchange which favours molecular disintegration.?

And

?Example: ? Taking the chord mass of the disintegrator B flat, or any chord mass that may be represented by the combined association of all the mechanical parts of its structure (no two structures being alike in their chord masses), taking B flat, the resonators of said structure are set at B flat, first octave, B flat, third octave, and B flat, ninth octave, by drawing out the caps of resonators until the harmony of thirds, sixths, and ninths are reached; which a simple movement of the fingers on the diatonic scale, at the head, will determine by the tremulous action which is highly sensible, to the touch, on said caps. The caps are then rigidly fixed in their different positions by set screws.?


Sorry guys, but that does not sound like 42800 Hz to me. There are a number of other quotes by Keely in relation to the disintegration of water where he makes it quite clear that three chords are involved, not a single frequency as so many have stated.

Nevertheless, as a CARRIER FREQUENCY a frequency in the high ultrasonic might well be suitable so I will start with that frequency band in the trials.

The transmitter need not be an elaborate affair. A simple circuit involving two 555 timers was suggested and our first prototype is currently being built along these lines.

I am enclosing the circuit diagram here.

At this stage I would like to point out that I am not an electronics engineer. I can read and understand circuit diagrams, even build electronic devices, but the design of electronic circuits is outside my area of expertise. So please feel free to make suggestions and/or  submit circuit ideas that are suitable. I would be grateful.

Hans von Lieven

[hansvonlieven]

Update on the transmitter,

Had an E-mail from mramos. The prototype transmitter is built and is undergoing tests at the moment. Here is what it says:

OK, there was an error on the PCB, added a 2 two wires.  We have 0-50Khz
probably.  I set it to 42.9K to take picture.  Did not hook the
scope up to see the duty cycle, but the calcs were to be 50/50 at 42Khz.

New problem, the modulator is not working, so I assume another wire
missing.  The schematic capture missed VCC on two spots.  I will know in
about 30 minutes.  Does not matter what it looks like long as it works. 
hehehe..  If it make HHO, then we make a pretty one with all the wires
on the fiberglass.

The output is 200mA.  I will hook it up and see if I see anything with
no audio modulated.  But I just have a feeling we are going to
want to add a 20-30amp FET to it. 

Mike.

The photo shows the populated PCB and carrier frequency test.

Hans von Lieven

[hansvonlieven]

Turning the RF into a Pressure Wave

As I have said earlier, the use of simple electrodes suspended in water, with or without an electrolyte, is probably not enough to arrive at the phenomena Keely talks about.

I am aware that Meyers, Kanzius and Boyd do just that and it might work to a degree, so we must try this, perhaps with a palladium plated electrode a la Fleischmann and Pons.

To really emulate Keely however we must convert the RF signal into a pressure wave.

This is where we start to have real problems.

Keely used acoustic resonators in an atmospheric medium. As any gas will respond to any and all induced sounds and will resonate regardless of frequency we must have a transducer that behaves in the same fashion.

This immediately rules out loudspeakers and ultrasonic transducers due to their limited frequency response. Unless someone here can come up with a transducer that I am unaware of the only suitable system that meets these criteria is a plasma transducer.

Two systems come to mind here. First, the traditional way of modulating an ionised flame and secondly what is colloquially known as the ?singing Tesla coil?.

For obvious reasons the idea of an ionised flame is not a system I favour, it is messy, unpredictable at times, and there is a lot of unwanted heat.

The Tesla coil has its own problems since unwanted frequencies are likely to occur.

The (totally unproven) idea I am toying with is to use a dielectric container filled with ionised air or gas that is electrically stimulated into resonance.

The two proposed concepts attached might work. I welcome your ideas here as the whole idea is very much still in the concept stage and totally untried. I will not be able to put this to the test until the transmitter is fully developed.

Any comment or alternative proposal is welcome here, so please let?s have some ideas.

As ion source I propose either high voltage DC or a piece of radioactive material such as can be found in smoke detectors.

Hans von Lieven

[allama]

Hello, Hans. What do you think about to use an electrostatic speaker to generate the pressure wave?. Thats only an idea... 

[Pirate88179]

Hans:

I am just tossing this out there from way out in left field. I am familiar with stringed instruments (piano, guitar, etc.) I was just thinking what if, you had string of a given dia. and length which would produce a given note (frequency) and suspended that in water?  I know the water would have a dampening effect on the vibration of the string which you might be able to compensate for once you determined what that might be. And if the string/s were set into motion via an electromagnet, i.e. like a doorbell, would this not introduce the vibrations into the water at that vibrating frequency?
I know doorbells operate on 60 Hz due to the 60 cycle current but, could not one vary this current to produce any frequency desired given x dia. and x length of the string? (wire)  If you had your three stings vibrating in the water at your target frequencies would this not produce the similar effect you are after?  Maybe only a portion of the string needs to be in the water to vibrate the molecules at the three frequencies called for by Keely.

As you are already aware, I don't know much about Keely's work and would not know anything about it except for your posts. I was just thinking of a possible way to introduce your frequencies into the water in an efficient manner utilizing mechanical means.

Bill