DISSOCIATING WATER, A KEELY Project

[fritz]

Dear Hans,

Some further intentions...

If the piezos are operated at similar frequency
than in the water vaporizers, they have a beam of
3-5mm diameter. Having 3 beams in xyz configuration
would give a focal volume of 125-150mm^3.

At least if you operate all 3 of them at resonance
frequency used for the vaporizers - the power density
should be enough...
One idea is to modulate this carrier frequency AM
with another (quite lower) composite wavefrom to
crack the molecules. Maybe its interesting to do
this without carrier only on both sidebands......

Another construction option is the use of 2 opposite piezos
per axis - to have a forced "push pull" torsion wave... using
6 piezos with adjustable phase delay or complete separate
synthesizer which can be coupled to the other piezo on the
same axis.....

My plans for the electrical part - piezos, configuration, drivers
synthesizers are already in the design stage, waiting for
oscillator samples, ...

The mechanical part is still open to some degree ...
Is there a robust way to attach a camera to the device,
what have to be kept in mind if operating such camera
under water (magnification, focus)...
...
rgds...

[Evil Roy Slade]

Hi Hans,

The concept of resonance is an interesting one. There are many factors
that determine the resonant frequency of a material and as I understand it a
major one is the length of the material.

The length of a hydrogen bond in a water molecule is 95.84pm and hence one
would expect the resonant frequency to be somewhere around 3130 Petahz (10^15)
This is in the upper Xray range which obviously was not available in Keely's time.

I think the idea of Keely using a 3 chord set was to try and get this high frequency
from a harmonic. If such a high frequency harmonic could in fact be generated (and I doubt it),
it's amplitude would be miniscule and require an enormous power input to create a useful harmonic.

Therefore from a power efficiency point of view one would be better off going straight to an xray
generator in order to try and get the hydrogen bonds to resonate and hopefully break.

Obviously throwing xrays around is not for the faint hearted.

We already use microwaves to produce heat by taking advantage of the dipolar nature of
the water molecule. However going to a high power xray generator is a significant step.

Finally, if one compares the power input of an xray generator solution to the simple electolysis
solution I am prepared to bet the latter is way less!

Your thoughts would be welcomed.

ERS

[Goldsphere]

Hi Hans,

I think it is most likely that Keely used the Well Temperament that was in use in the 1800's mostly thanks to Bach.
Here is some info on it.
http://www.kylegann.com/histune.html#hist4
http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html

This tuning allows for a great number of harmonics and for full modulation.

GS

[fritz]

@ERS
I think that keely?s use of chords is ment in a way that this chord /
composite waveform doesn?t break up the water bond directly.
Keely?s technique is to break up the topologic shells which
separate the water bond from direct inflluence of kinetic energy
from outside.
By breaking up this shells you have the possibility to transfer
kinetic energy directly to a molecular level. This additional energy
distorts the equilibrium of the water bonds and induces interesting
"molecular options" for the involved atoms. While taking this (intermediate)
options - outer shells work against this trying to protect their own equilibrium..
By tricking out this inter-shell/over all equilibrium interactions -
single (intermediate not bonded) atoms can "escape".
This trick(changing the way how the atoms recombine) has the potential
to have a higher efficiency than electrolysis where you just
replace electrons.

You are right with your assumptions about breaking up water bonds
with x rays - but thats definitely not the "trick".

Some example:
You are inside a church and want to excite the church bell
by emitting acoustic waves tuned to the resonance frequency
of the bell. It is almost impossible to do that because of the massive
church building and the massive church tower where the bell is mounted.
You have to overcome the damping(mass) of both parts.
Its not possible to establish an energy transfer at this frequency on that path.
To enable an energy transfer for that purpose - you can excite the resonance
frequency of the church building first - this enables you to put the church tower
into resonance by adding the second frequency. Now you have an energy path
from inside the church to the mounting point of the bell. It is possible to excite
the bell by adding the resonance frequency of the bell.
Church building, church tower and church bell are 3 connected oscillating
resonators operated at there resonance frequency and are able to transfer
kinetic energy.
The self resonance of the construction part overcomes the damping coefficient
of the part. Now energy induced on other frequencies to the part isnt damped
anymore - it can be transfered to connected parts.
I think thats the process Keely refers by "liberation" -
This method is quite power efficient. Maybe it takes some energy to establish
the oscillation and to overcome the damping - but it takes quite less
energy to maintain it due to accumulative nature of the phenomenon.

so long.

[Evil Roy Slade]

Hi Fritz,

Your analogy with the bell, tower & church is an interesting one. It seems you are using
the resonance of each part, first being the church, as some sort of carrier for the next resonant
wave. The problem here is that the frequencies intended to resonate the tower and bell would be absorbed
by the church. And even if these frequencies could get through, imagine the power wasted on resonating
the church walls, then the tower. My point is that only a tiny percenatge of the incoming power would
reach its intended target.

I am not sure what you mean by 'topological shells'? Are you refering to
electron energy levels? As in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_level

Please point me to a reference explaining your terminology so I can better understand
what seems to be a key point in this theory.

ERS