SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[oak]

@oak,

Science requires to do the opposite of what you're saying.

Science does not require the use of completely ineffective (and incidentally abusive) means to achieve ends.

[Omnibus]

Science is a totalitarian system. Truth is a dictator there. If someone is abusive when facing the truth that's his problem. Truth must prevail and not give in to exorcism and confusion as is seen to be the case with some trying to play scientists while having a frugal experience as such.

[oak]

It should be obvious that omnibus is not playing with a full deck.

Canam101, I suppose I have to agree with you.

[Omnibus]

What would I do if I'm to play with a full deck, according to you?

[oak]

What would I do if I'm to play with a full deck, according to you?

You would drop the fruitless attempt to persuade people that OU is real and violation of CoE is real, and wait until replicable, working, self-sustaining OU devices are being replicated on a daily basis.  Until then, the argument over whether OU, and violation-of-CoE, are real is premature.  It's not ripe.  And with respect to non-looped SMOTs, it's particularly unripe, even if you are correct about SMOTs.  Arguing about it just serves to generate a lot of hot air for no purpose, diverts threads that were intended for something else, and causes unnecessary anger.

I'm like you, Omnibus.  I believe the day will come when replicable, working, self-sustaining OU devices will be being replicated on a daily basis.  Like you, I believe it is important for people to see them working and realize it really is possible.  But nothing that you say, before that day, is going to persuade someone who's not ready to believe it, that it is possible.  Let them see it for themselves, when that day does come.