SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[Low-Q]

@Low-Q,

Emphasize on this:

"2. The ball finds its resting point rather in point C than point B. That means loosing energy while going towards point C."

and tell me who provided the energy the ball has at B to be able to lose it, as you  say, while going towards C. Someone must've pulled it (spent energy to pull it) earlier from C to B to allow it now to lose that energy while, as you say, going from B to C. Who did that?

I asked @inu the same question but haven't gotten an answer from him yet.

Two billion replies since yesterday , so this is a very "late" reply to your post, but as you ask, I wish to answer.

Imagine this:
Look at the drawing I made. Who lifted the ball from C to B in the first place?

Option 1: You did, or at least some one did it. It cannot go from C to B by itself, nor via A. CoE is obeyed.

Option 2: No one did, and the ball has remained in point C all the time. CoE is obeyed.

Option 3: This is a model, a drawing showing a ball already in point B, explaining that the ball goes from B to C. Just an explanation form someones mind. CoE is obeyed.

Option 4: You're wrong. CoE is obeyed.

Option 5: You've been kidding with us all the time. CoE is obeyed.

Option 6: You never give up. CoE is violated - for a while.

Br.

Vidar

[Low-Q]

*****  No personal assaults please - that applies to everyone. Be as objective as possible!  *****

[Omnibus]

Low-Q,

Any time you want to carry out the experiment the ball is at A. Every time. You can repeat it as many times as you want and the ball will alway be at A at the start of the experiment. Therefore, it is obviously not me, as you insist, who have pulled the ball from C to place it at B so that the ball can lose magnetic potential energy in going spontaneously from B to C. Thus, you still haven't answered the question who put the ball at B (who has already spent the energy to pull the ball from C to B) so that the ball can spontaneously then lose that energy in going from B to C. This question persists. Violation of CoE is still proved beyond doubt.

[oak]

In case anyone stumbles into this thread looking for discussion on "The OC Magnetic Perpetual Motion Machine," please note that that device (now called WhipMag, OCAL, and other things) is being discussed in the following thread (which is currently up to 19 pages):

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.0.html 

THIS thread -- the one you are now in -- is mostly about Omnibus's Omnipresent assertion that violation of CoE has been "conclusively proven" by non-looped SMOTs.  (With a side discussion on pp. 7-8 on whether there is any value in arguing about that claim.)  You have been warned.

[Low-Q]

Low-Q,

Any time you want to carry out the experiment the ball is at A. Every time. You can repeat it as many times as you want and the ball will alway be at A at the start of the experiment. Therefore, it is obviously not me, as you insist, who have pulled the ball from C to place it at B so that the ball can lose magnetic potential energy in going spontaneously from B to C. Thus, you still haven't answered the question who put the ball at B (who has already spent the energy to pull the ball from C to B) so that the ball can spontaneously then lose that energy in going from B to C. This question persists. Violation of CoE is still proved beyond doubt.

So now the question is how the ball is pulled from A to B, and not from C to B? Or is the ball starting in point A, and then suddenly pulled from C to B without going from A to C first, and you ask how the ball got from C to B? How did the ball go from A to C, in order to be pulled from C to B in the first place? By going from A via B to point C, and then by magic go back to point B so it again can go back to point C in order to violate CoE?

I must admit that your claims and ways of explaining is to me quite confusing. Maybe that's the trick to make your repliers mad

Well, If the experiment allways starts in point A, the ball is then never leaving point A. There is no energy that pulls the ball to B, in order to spontaneously loose that energy by going to point C. Hence the ball never gets energy to be pulled from C to B. So you don't need the answer on how the ball is pulled from C to B. CoE is obeyed.

Br.

Vidar.