SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[Low-Q]

thanks for the links. The case is:

It will not work, because:

Magnets wants to find its least stressful point, hence the rotation of the magnets when you slide them forward. In this case, the rotating magnets are slaves that obay the rule of magnetism due to the forward and backward motion done by external force by your hand. Thats why there is no sticky spots - at least very weak. When arranging the magnets as shown both stator and rotor magnets are slaves, so you have no sticky spots, and no accelerating forces to run the wheel.
Whithout sticky spots, there will never be forces to move a magnet. To use sticky spots correctly, the spot has to change polarity very sudden when the rotor magnet is at the closest point. That does not happen in your design. However, to do so, the stator magnet must mechanicly swap polarity very quickly, but to turn a magnet 180 degrees when another magnet is nearby requires energy - more energy than you build up during the rotor acceleration. The sticky spot will in other words prevent the stator magnet to swap polarity.
An electrical trigged swap is the only solution, but will never be the key to over unity.

Br.

Vidar

[rotorhead]

thanks for the links. The case is:

It will not work, because:

Magnets wants to find its least stressful point, hence the rotation of the magnets when you slide them forward. In this case, the rotating magnets are slaves that obay the rule of magnetism due to the forward and backward motion done by external force by your hand. Thats why there is no sticky spots - at least very weak. When arranging the magnets as shown both stator and rotor magnets are slaves, so you have no sticky spots, and no accelerating forces to run the wheel.

What you seem to be describing is the condition where the rotating stator magnets are free to rotate. If you actually read further, you will see that stops are used to prevent the magnets from rotating naturally. This, of course, introduces sticky spots, but it also allows the magnets to be locked into an orientation which provides greater forces to spin the rotor. Instead of using attraction or repulsion to move the rotor, both are used simultaneously, one stator magnet pushing and the next one pulling.

Whithout sticky spots, there will never be forces to move a magnet. To use sticky spots correctly, the spot has to change polarity very sudden when the rotor magnet is at the closest point. That does not happen in your design. However, to do so, the stator magnet must mechanicly swap polarity very quickly, but to turn a magnet 180 degrees when another magnet is nearby requires energy - more energy than you build up during the rotor acceleration. The sticky spot will in other words prevent the stator magnet to swap polarity.

How fast the magnets change their relationship in this design depends on how fast the rotor is spinning. In the prototype under construction, 1/2" magnets are used. The magnets go from strong attraction to strong repulsion in 1/2". If the rotor is spinning fast, this will happen very quickly. There is also mention of a spring mechanism which should reduce the effort required to overcome the sticky spot.

An electrical trigged swap is the only solution, but will never be the key to over unity.

Br.

Vidar

An electrical solution is what we have been doing for well over a century. It's called an electric motor, and nobody so far has successfully demonstrated one that can produce more power than it consumes. This OC motor concept has not yet been proved or disproved. I personally think there are some interesting points that should be more thoroughly investigated.

You may be satisfied that it won't work, I'm not. I want to see some empirical evidence.

[Low-Q]

I understand your point. Nevertheless, magnets ALLWAYS want to find a point where forces and counterforces are equal. You have plenty of these points in your design. So your motor will not run due to the nature of permanent magnetism. A permanent state does not contain energy. Hence you cannot extract energy from it.
You must turn magnetism in order to do work. To turn a magnet require exactly that much work.
That is the emperical evidence. Simple as that

Vidar

[hanglow]

Low-Q is right. I've tried building all kinds of PMM designs and only to find my wallet getting smaller and smaller. I have more magnets than I have brains at this point. Any one want to buy some magnets. 

[RunningBare]

Hey guys, I may have missed it in the thread somewhere, but first off this project is a collaboration between the designer known as overconfident and the builder alselatokin, neither one is claiming anything at this point, its an idea that overconfident had some time ago and he is keeping it open source, he does not claim it will work, he just hopes it does, it is one of the most honest collaborations I've seen to date.