SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[shruggedatlas]

I agree that the magnet and the spring are fundamentally different, in that the spring exerts a greater force the farther the ball is away, while a magnet does the opposite, however I am not convinced that this difference is enough to matter in the example of the SMOT.

[Koen1]

As for the questions, there's nothing more offensive in a scientific discourse to ignore opponent's arguments while impudently pushing  one's confusion.

Exactly.
So SHOW US YOUR EMPIRICAL PROOF!
And don't try to dismiss this with another "you are stupid" remark,
because as you say yourself:

A scientific discussion isn't a charitable undertaking for feeble minded neither is it a playground to blabber what you please and then complain when you're told off.

Indeed, a scientific discussion is not a place to blabber what you please.
A scientific discussion involves analysing and discussing theory and EMPIRICAL DATA that supports the theory.
You still have not shown any empirical data that supports your claim that the SMOT will loop.

Stop telling people they're stupid, and stop sticking feathers up your butt for being (in your own opinion) the great
wise knowitall.
That has no place in a scientific discussion!
There is no reason to act like that.
If you have evidence, empirical proof that you can indeed get the SMOT to loop,
then present it here. Post your videos of your looping SMOT.
We will be convinced, the nay-sayers will shut up, and you will not have to tell anyone how
stupid they are because you will simply have proven your claim.
And then we will all thank you for showing us a real over unity device.

It's that simple.

Your current conduct seems to be in contradiction with your statement that such
childish behaviour has no place in a scientific discussion.
You do realise that, do you not?

If you're going to react with another "you are stupid, poopoohead" style childish reply,
then you will prove yourself incapable of actually conducting a normal (let alone
scientific) discussion, and in fact will prove yourself to be childish and blabbering,
or at least will prove yourself not to practise what you preach.
Oh, and that will be empirical proof then, by the way.

[Low-Q]

@ konduct:

Yes, I know that Stefan believes in the SMOT as showing OU.  That's fine as far as it goes.  That does not excuse the abuse everyone takes when they ask legitimate questions as to why this is.  I agree that the earth is round, I do not, nor should not, abuse you if you ask me why I believe this and where is the evidence.  That is the difference here.

Bill

The one that's really abusive is @konduct. You're either blind or very gullible.

As for the questions, there's nothing more offensive in a scientific discourse to ignore opponent's arguments while impudently pushing  one's confusion. You should be aware of that. A scientific discussion isn't a charitable undertaking for feeble minded neither is it a playground to blabber what you please and then complain when you're told off. I'm not even mentioning those who deliberately want to destroy a controversial discussion with the aim to please their employers and who knows who else (recall @alsetalokin when mentioning employers).

Isn't this abusive? I guess we all have to accept that you are sitting at hartiberlins right side, and legitimate your own abusing talk while banning others.

There is in fact many bright brains here - the ones that questions SMOT, and OU in general, and are not buying explanations without roots in real life
- just by that.

You have to accept that someone disagree with you, and their rights to express whatever they want - blabber or not.I think honestly that you are not an example for succession. Probably not me too - and many others with me. The point is that we all should be allowed to question each other, without someone shoots our head off. That is old fashion politics which died 100 years ago in the civilized world. They still use this politics somewhere in the world - killing people which don't agree - right here at overunity.com where you has just taken the ruler position, shooting people down just because of lack of knowledge, or having superior knowledge, far beyond your own, that is questioning your opinions and theoretical "findings".

Vidar

[acp]

Omnibus will never be banned because he is an "Elite Member" . IIRC these are people who pay a monthly fee to be rid of the numerous advertisements on this site .

[Omnibus]

I agree that the magnet and the spring are fundamentally different, in that the spring exerts a greater force the farther the ball is away, while a magnet does the opposite, however I am not convinced that this difference is enough to matter in the example of the SMOT.

That's not the difference it is had in mind when a spring is compared to SMOT. The fundamental difference that is had in mind is that the spring cannot strain itself spontaneously and therefore it does not violate CoE while SMOT can and thus it violates CoE.