SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[Omnibus]

"limited time and space, introducing uncertainty in their energy and momentum due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle."

This summarizes the behaviour of the virtual particle. IF IT'S MATHEMATICALY THERE, THEN IT'S THERE. NO BUTS...

But we cant use it....

Doesn't mean it's not there.....

But we cant physicaly see it.....

Doesn't mean it's not there.....

Why?

Because it's created through the math thats based off CoE itself......

Huh?

It would be a contradiction to ignore it.....

Ok, I got it!

There you go...

LOL

No, CoE isn't created through the math. CoE was an empirical (following from experimental evidence) principle until its violation in SMOT was discovered. Since that time CoE cannot be considered a general principle based on experiment since an experiment was found out which violates it.

[HopeForHumanity]

It must be mechanical. So far, the only experiment in physics proving unequivocally violation of CoE is the Taisnierius experiment (SMOT) and its variation -- the magnetic propulsor. Nothing else.

No, the virtual particle violates CoE in another time and space. It is unobservable and useless, thus making it simialer to the SMOT in that you cant use it. Because physics is based off the law of conservation they will stretch it to the point where the virtual particle no longer counts. This makes it entirely a point of view. In my point of view, anything that has an uncertain amount of energy and pops into mathematical view (strange way of saying it), violates CoE. If they were to aknowledge this, they would have to come up with some new stuff.

Not so. SMOT violates CoE in the real sense of the word. This is a real violation of CoE and that principle must not be considered as a general principle in physics any more.

Ok, take for example virtual memory. It's the memory on your computer thats temporarily written to your harddrive. Physical memory, is the type of memory that is stored in your RAM. Virtual memory is generally used to help the Physical memory properly communicate (sort of like a map), but it is also used when the amount of memory needed exceeds the amount of available RAM. Thus memory is written to your harddrive instead. The amount of RAM is the CoE, and the virtual memory is the Virtual Particles. The virtual memory exceeds the CoE to communicate, but isn't actualy used. So it's virtual! Virt u al. VIRTUAL. Anyway (lol), but as you see, it does not mean at all that the memory isn't there. It's just in another time and space (hardrive). Just as the physical memory is in our time and space (RAM).

So this is where a person's point of view is decided. I would guess people who are more tuned to be open minded may choose the side viewing the violation, while people who are closed to this and only except whats "real", may view it from the CoE. Just as your smot omnibus. I too view the smot as a violation. I just hope you will someday view virtual particles as one too.

[Omnibus]

Absolutely not. That analogy is completely incorrect because in SMOT we are dealing with real amounts of energy imparted and lost. Not virtual, real.

[HopeForHumanity]

"limited time and space, introducing uncertainty in their energy and momentum due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle."

This summarizes the behaviour of the virtual particle. IF IT'S MATHEMATICALY THERE, THEN IT'S THERE. NO BUTS...

But we cant use it....

Doesn't mean it's not there.....

But we cant physicaly see it.....

Doesn't mean it's not there.....

Why?

Because it's created through the math thats based off CoE itself......

Huh?

It would be a contradiction to ignore it.....

Ok, I got it!

There you go...

LOL

No, CoE isn't created through the math. CoE was an empirical (following from experimental evidence) principle until its violation in SMOT was discovered. Since that time CoE cannot be considered a general principle based on experiment since an experiment was found out which violates it.

Forgot to mention this quote in my post.

"There is not a definite line differentiating virtual particles from real particles ? the equations of physics just describe particles (which includes both equally)."

This quote describes the reliance on math. It is then a empirical that you understand it's your point of view, because you CANNOT DENY THEIR EXISTANCE.

[HopeForHumanity]

Absolutely not. That analogy is completely incorrect because in SMOT we are dealing with real amounts of energy imparted and lost. Not virtual, real.

I guess you didn't actualy read the entire post, nor do you understand computers (differen't subject lol). By the way, the analogy isn't incorrect. It's your assumption that it isn't correct. You have yet to provide evidence that denies the virtual particles existence in all space and time. I would find that rather difficult...