US Patent Office Has Granted Patents for Perpetuum Mobile

[Pirate88179]

@Freenrg4me
Just to correct you on one of your thoughts.  We have never lived in a democracy, it is a representitive republic, and always has been. This used to be taught in 4th grade civics class.  I have heard many an "educated" person make the same error. I guess public schools are not what they used to be.


Bill

[Freenrg4me]

Dear Pirate Bill,

I would not know about the public schools as I attended private school.

That being said, if you can find where I claimed we live in a democracy, I will eat my diploma.

As for when things are taught, most people learned to read in the first grade.

Don't misquote me, you only make yourself look foolish.

[Prophmaji]

Sounds like you have bought into each and every conspiracy theory that has even been invented.Ã,  I don't think you left any single one out. If you seriously think that the 911 attacks were an "inside job" using "a missile and a drone", there is not a single thing I can say in response to you because you are too far gone to be reasoned with.Ã,  I don't mean that as an insult, but I am seriously at a loss for words.

Bill

It was never meant to be personal, Bill. Although it can feel that way, if it specifically involves the country that one may be born in and reside within. I'm not attempting to put words in your mouth, on my reply, either. Perhaps the depths of your thoughts on such matters are completely different, and likely differ from my allusion.

In essence, we all go to the places in thought where we,as individuals, with uhm...'emotionally driven braking', which is the point that creates our 'limits' when attempting to formulate a good solid grasp of how the world works.

As stated, each and every point I've raised can be found to be true, if you do the research. The depth of the matter on the most intimate levels is actually far more frightening and ludicrious.

For example, you, or I for that matter, cannot imagine ourselves sitting at a table and eating the cooked remains of the meat on someone's skull after we've hadÃ, $ex with said skull, yet this is exactly what Jeffrey Dahmer did. Truth is stranger than fiction, for the most part, as it can and many times does involve things that we would never think of doing, or be able to hold easily within our minds. This is the basic operational point of mental consideratons, vis-a-vis the electrochemical origins of thought, piled upon the design and structure of the human mind. Thus I can seem like a raving lunatic to a mind that is organized and structured upon fundamentals that differ from any given point of reality that I try to relate to them...as that may not agree with that given person's 'internal design'.

Reality and truth, for the most part, is limited by the given individual's capacity to deal with and accept. Basically, It will seem like an insult, but the opposite is meant, it is merely a reflection of realities:A mind that cannot clearly look at the true nature of reality, and or the structure of the world around them, without severely filtering through rose colored glasses, is clearly an immature mind.

We all have our filters and limits, I simply have fewer than most. Thus..I see further down the road.

And those that have severe filtering when it comes to these realities..are only more easily manipulated by others....via those enormous blind spots.

[shruggedatlas]

Question is, regarding reexamination, what constitutes prior art? Can the fact that Science denies the workability of such machines (and therefore they cannot be new and useful as the law requires) be prior art? If it can, it would be newly discovered prior art regarding the patent in question (and all related prior patents, of course) which should render the patent invalid. What do you think?.

The prior art can indeed be newly discovered.  However, the prior art itself must of course predate the patent filing date, preferably by a few months.

There is a whole body of law on what is and what is not prior art, and I am not an expert, but generally speaking, any type of publicly published information or built devices that show the same concept would qualify.  Private letters, documents and conversations generally do not count.  Sadly, the fact that the laws of physics or other branches of science render the device impossible would not constitute prior art.  Still, if you want to smack this patent, find a similar device from an earlier time.  Just be prepared for a fight.  Patent holders can be very creative in differentiating their ideas.

[Omnibus]

Question is, regarding reexamination, what constitutes prior art? Can the fact that Science denies the workability of such machines (and therefore they cannot be new and useful as the law requires) be prior art? If it can, it would be newly discovered prior art regarding the patent in question (and all related prior patents, of course) which should render the patent invalid. What do you think?.

The prior art can indeed be newly discovered.  However, the prior art itself must of course predate the patent filing date, preferably by a few months.

There is a whole body of law on what is and what is not prior art, and I am not an expert, but generally speaking, any type of publicly published information or built devices that show the same concept would qualify.  Private letters, documents and conversations generally do not count.  Sadly, the fact that the laws of physics or other branches of science render the device impossible would not constitute prior art.  Still, if you want to smack this patent, find a similar device from an earlier time.  Just be prepared for a fight.  Patent holders can be very creative in differentiating their ideas.

See, the point is that revoking te patent isn't my intention. My intention, as I said at the beginning, is to smoke out the person claiming perpetuum mobile and have him demonstrate in flesh in blood what he has patented (which if he doesn't do should, of course, lead to invalidation of the patent). Some of us here have a lot of experience with such "discoverers" who flash their devices only to disappear later. Recall Torbay, Mike Brady (Perendev), Steorn, Danny from Ohio, several Canadian dudes, etc. etc. Steorn and the like, for instance, ask you to sign a NDA which is similar to killing the possibility to uncover the truth. Here in this case we have involvement of an official governmental organization paid for by our taxes which is backing (protecting) claims for perpetuum mobile. That's a whole new level of the story. Government must be accountable brfore its citizens, musn't it? It cannot hide behind NDA's and must abide by its own laws. The problem now is to find the exact avenue to pursue this accountability.