Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[hoptoad]

By the way, these symetrical circuits I posted, are more related to what Hendershot did I believe.
EM

And also Moray!
Cheers and KneeDeep all.........

[gotoluc]

@ allcanadian, thank you for the reply and offering to help. I think I could learn many things. You have a good understanding of Tesla's findings and I am sure we could all learn.

I find it interesting how we always want to use modern electronic knowledge and components while trying to find the answers to what we have failed to find with it in the first place.

I have a very small knowledge of modern electronic though I have been recently trying to learn but I never have much luck when I build a circuit. I recently bought an old HP 1707b scope and a Wavetek 134 signal generator on ebay for $50. for both. Now I can do some testing while I learn. I bought 5 loop stick antenna on ebay and here are my finding on just pulsing the coils with no electronic circuits added.

I hooked up one lead of the coil to one lead of my wavetek out which is (20 volt peak to peak) and pulsed the coil with all the frequencies with square waves and watch the scope for activity, at around 2 Mhz it has the best peak, which by the way is the limit of the wavetek. So I hooked up a fluorescent bulb to the out lead of the coil and the other lead to the wavetek and at 2 Mhz it partially lit up. Next I tested to see what would happen if I added more core material around the coil and noticed it would resonate at a lower frequency, which is good for my 2 Mhz limit, so I wraped it with all the cores of the other 4 coils and added a bridge rectifier at the out lead of the coil to the ac side of the rectifier and hooked up the dc side to my volt meter and got up to 250 volts at .6 Mhz. Next I hooked up 93 led in series and they all lit but I found like others that they are brighter if aluminum is behind the project board, so I used a heat sink I had and around .75 Mhz. they lit as you can see in photo 1. Photo 2 is just adding a ground wire to the aluminum and tuned around .65 Mhz and just about doubles the light. Photo 3 is the extra cores around the coil removed and it lights around 2 Mhz and photo 4 is adding the ground and tuning to 1.55 Mhz. Photo 5 is just to show if you can't understand what I mean by adding cores around the coil.

I have no ideal if any of these test have anything to do or help with what we are looking for    ... so I am oppened to sugestions by allcanadian or others who have achived results in collecting radiant energy.

I have built the The 'Callanan Driver' Circuit on Dr. Stiffler page and did not get it to work at all. That is my usual luck with circuits

Luc

[fritz]

@fritz

I am no optics expert by a long shot, so just my two cents worth. Old style LEDS mixed Red, Blue and Green to come up with a White beam, while the newer units now coat the emitter with a phosphor much like an FL tube to enable the emission of the CLOSE to white light.

Most consumer light meters are weighted for the response of the human eye and do indeed have weighting filters added making it difficult to measure LED output with the  same accuracy as the standard sources such as Tungsten, Mercury, Fluorescent and Sodium. You also need to now what type of power measurement you are making, lm/m2, lm/ft2 for example.

Without knowing your input device, I would doubt you can measure an entire LED array do to the beam angles not being convergent. I take a representative number of selected LEDS, measure the output from each and take an average, then monitor only one selected LED and extrapolate over the total number. This method allows for ease is seeing the effects of adding and subtracting LEDS from the change and the approach of optimum matching to the driver.

Looking forward to your results; What circuit and coil arrangement will you be using for the testing??? Just wanting to match Apples to Apples......

The idea was to get some grip on the optical output of the used LEDs, efficiency,
strange effects and comparing efficiency if operated in different modes.
So there is no coil, etc. used so far - but maybe later on.

What I found somewhere in my workshop:

TQ8210 - Optical Power Meter, Advantest
with Probe:
TQ82017

It can measure form -60dBm(1nW) up to +17dBm(50mW) in a range
from 400 -1100nm with 5% acc.

This stuff is used to measure monochromatic ligth sources, lasers,
so measuring white is some problem. I found out that measuring
with correction for red, green, blue and building square weighended
means is a good praxis.


DUT 1) http://85.25.136.73/Marfstyle-s47h6-Weiss_White.html
Cheap China LED ? slightly bluish white, dont trust the 20000mcd, 0,45Euro

DUT 2) http://www1.at.conrad.com/scripts/wgate/zcop_at/~flNlc3Npb249UDkwX0NPUF9BVDpDX0FHQVRFMTM6MDAwMC4wMTE1LjI3YTJiMzgzJn5odHRwX2NvbnRlbnRfY2hhcnNldD1pc28tODg1OS0xJn5TdGF0ZT0yMDk0OTA1NDg4====?~template=PCAT_AREA_S_BROWSE&mfhelp=&p_selected_area=%24ROOT&p_selected_area_fh=&perform_special_action=&glb_user_js=Y&shop=AT2&vgl_artikel_in_index=&product_show_id=&p_page_to_display=DirektSearch&~cookies=1&zhmmh_lfo=&zhmmh_area_kz=55&s_haupt_kategorie=&p_searchstring=&p_searchstring_artnr=180005&p_search_category=alle&r3_matn=&insert_kz=&gvlon=&area_s_url=&brand=&amount=&new_item_quantity=&area_url=&direkt_aufriss_area=&p_countdown=&p_80=&p_80_category=&p_80_article=&p_next_template_after_login=&mindestbestellwert=&login=&password=&bpemail=&bpid=&url=&show_wk=&use_search=3&p_back_template=&template=&kat_save=&updatestr=&vgl_artikel_in_vgl=&titel=&darsteller=&regisseur=&anbieter=&genre=&fsk=&jahr=&jahr2=&dvd_error=X&dvd_empty_error=X&dvd_year_error=&call_dvd=&kna_news=&p_status_scenario=&documentselector=&aktiv=&p_load_area=$ROOT&p_artikelbilder_mode=&p_sortopt=&page=&p_catalog_max_results=20
Premium white LED, 3,25 Euro

Interesting points - optical power output with dc current source:

1) @ 1.5uA/2.268V (!!) DUT 1 already emits 340nW - and you can see it (slightly darkened room)
2) @ 100uA/2.504V DUT 1 emits 40uW - thats not too dark
3) @ 10mA/3.110V DUT 1 emits 3.1mW
Top end for DUT 1 is 20mW @ 50mA / 3.63V - that works in my chilly garage -
To be on the safe side - 12mW @ 30mA / 3.45V should be ok.
This gives an average efficiency of 20% up to 10mA - drops then
down to 10% for maximum output @ DUT 1.

The behaviour of DUT 2 is similar, efficiency @ 50mA 20% -
due to probably bigger chip inside and better cooling - this stuff
can be operated up to 35mW(opt) @ 50mA with high efficiency.

Interesting points - optical power output with pulsed dc current source:
DUT 1 works straight forward with pulsed DC dutycycle 50%.
DC (dutycycle 100%) - 15mW optical output
1kHz (dtcyc 50%) - 8mW opt.
this goes down to 5mWopt @ 20MHz (!!)

DUT 2 didn?t survive this test (- ended up with efficiency of 5% and 5V uf @dc).
The resistance or whatever decreases on entering the MHz area (works normal
in the khz range). The LED got darker in the MHZ range in this typical
style which happens if you overload it.

Preliminary outcome of this test:

Behaviour of "modern" white LED can be totally different in the MHz range.

BTW:
Did somebody out there use an LED in varicap configuration ?
An LED operated in the range from 0 to almost uf should have a quite
high capacity... (thats the starting point for my investigation of dying DUT 2 (!!).)

Finally, I operated DUT 1 leds + 2x 4148 at a normal AM coil with round ferrite coil, with
10 wdg primary coil operated by signal generator(50 Ohms).
Output voltage without load - 60vpp.
I could see a 500uA glimming LED @ 1.6MHz using 1 LED (res. maximum).
By adding up to 8 LEDs, I have to increase the frequency up to 20MHz to see
the same optical output on any LED - I have seen on the 1st LED @ 1.6 MHz.
From charge point of view - an LED is somehow a very lossy capacitor - by putting
lots of them in series - you lower these capacity and optimize the "loss" which is
white light in our case.
The combination of low capacity, high loss and high voltage seems to fit very well
to an oscillator with high resonance voltage.

rgds,


PS.: My opinion (at the moment) is, that you somehow drive the ferrite core in the
highly nonlinear area of the B/H curve (top end). This is the way how you get lots of harmonics
and real rf to light the el tubes.
Someday I built a 3way speaker system using tiny choke type ferrite coils (quite optimistic).
They distort like hell - every E-guitar Amp should have one.
(There are professional ferrite coils for speaker usage - but with a core diameter of 50mm)
I used choke stuff ;-)

[EMdevices]

*removed* EM

[fritz]

No, I don't believe it will be overunity with all that resistance.  I included the resistance so I don't get a realy sharp and narrow spike in the simulation.   But if a circuit will realy tap OU, then I imagine resistance will not stand in it's way.

One of the things I haven?t seen so far (and I can not simulate it) is the B/H breakdown of the used
cores. If there is something interesting - than whats happening there.

Thats whats next on my list.

Anyway - the fact that such simple circuit emits such a strong rf field to power
el tubes - is quite amazing - and needs some research.