Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[zaydana]

Just a little note - I tried cutting the wire between both sides of the circuit, and then twisting it around itself. It still worked without much change. However, this really shouldn't mean that much, as its probably just acting as a twisted wire capacitor.

[fritz]

@ fritz,

And how do you propose to close the loop ?

Cherrys

Dean

Even if the optical output vs. electrical input exceeds the rated
efficiency of the LED its very interesting.
If the effect only occurs with LED - the only way to close the loop
is using solar cell. In this case the "overunity" has to be 5 (electrical vs. optical)
to compensate the 20% efficiency of the solar panel.
If the effect occurs even with resistors - there should be a way to close
the loop with electrical means using highly concentrated, small dcdc converter.
In that case an overunity of - lets say 1.8 should be enough (electric-electric).
rgds.

[DrStiffler]

hi all - happy holidays

apologies for the long post - it may help by shortening the thread in the long run

i check out this site from time to time to see what's happening & was interested to find this thread - interested enough to register just so i could reply to this thread...

... which seems to raise so many questions

the Avramenko plug operation & single wire power transfer at high voltage & frequency are frequent-flyers on OU related sites - interesting and potentially useful (no pun intended) - but not new

so, if you connect an AC signal source with some power capability into a transformer and load the secondary with an LED you could expect to light the LED if the unloaded pk-pk secondary voltage is greater than the Vf of the LED and there is sufficient current drive

the LED will not only partially rectify the output signal, it will also limit its amplitude on the forward drive half-cycle

if the secondary voltage drive capability is high enough you could add another LED in series (same polarity orientation) and expect to light the 2nd LED too - with similar forward volts-drop

the output voltage will be clamped to the sum of the two diode forward voltages - but the current will still be driven higher whilst the input waveform rises on each forward half-cycle

as someone has pointed out earlier in the thread, the human eye is extremely non-linear in perceiving brightness - and it has persistence of image - so it is difficult to judge visually just what is happening when more LEDs are added

you could expect to add as many LEDs, each apparently lit as brightly, up to a total forward volts drop equal to the loaded output capability of the transformer for that input signal

so far you've only added LEDs for one polarity swing of the output waveform - you can also expect to be able to drive a similar set of LEDs in parallel & with the opposite polarity

is this system providing power out independent of source? no - we're just adding load up to the drive capability of the signal source & transformer combination; it's just that it appears to the human eye that each additional increment in the load is adding to the power transfer & not sharing it between them

LEDs don't generate much heat - so its difficult to use temperature to measure the power out

why use LEDs when you could just drive heaters (or temperature-stable resistors?), use a calorimeter and get some once-and-for-all results which confirm or deny a power transfer anomaly?

so, why use LEDs? after all, we're not trying to make it difficult to see what's going on ...are we?

some interesting observations to be found on the Stiffler Scientific logo:-
  the flask in the LH lower corner has the label '317', the white stripes at the base of the 'Science' shield are the equivalent of 317 in binary, the series of red 'dots' in the blue banner behind the eagle's head are the units representation of 317

what's the deal with 317? well, anyone who used to play with calculators will tell you that 317 makes 'LIE' when you turn it upside down - is there a hidden agenda here we need to know about?

google turned up some interesting results for Ron Stiffler and telos-research on the OUPower.com website back in Nov 2004
  http://oupower.com/forum/index.php3?request=2951&HoursOld=48

PS did i miss the post which explains the 'selfrunning' in this thread's title?

Wow! You sound like a Mr. H20FORME type of guy???

Should not have wasted all that time, pity. 317 is the catalog number of bacterium I found in human skin cells and the 317 is the number of days it took until it was identified. Cheers Dude.

[elias]

hi all - happy holidays

apologies for the long post - it may help by shortening the thread in the long run

i check out this site from time to time to see what's happening & was interested to find this thread - interested enough to register just so i could reply to this thread...

... which seems to raise so many questions

the Avramenko plug operation & single wire power transfer at high voltage & frequency are frequent-flyers on OU related sites - interesting and potentially useful (no pun intended) - but not new

so, if you connect an AC signal source with some power capability into a transformer and load the secondary with an LED you could expect to light the LED if the unloaded pk-pk secondary voltage is greater than the Vf of the LED and there is sufficient current drive

the LED will not only partially rectify the output signal, it will also limit its amplitude on the forward drive half-cycle

if the secondary voltage drive capability is high enough you could add another LED in series (same polarity orientation) and expect to light the 2nd LED too - with similar forward volts-drop

the output voltage will be clamped to the sum of the two diode forward voltages - but the current will still be driven higher whilst the input waveform rises on each forward half-cycle

as someone has pointed out earlier in the thread, the human eye is extremely non-linear in perceiving brightness - and it has persistence of image - so it is difficult to judge visually just what is happening when more LEDs are added

you could expect to add as many LEDs, each apparently lit as brightly, up to a total forward volts drop equal to the loaded output capability of the transformer for that input signal

so far you've only added LEDs for one polarity swing of the output waveform - you can also expect to be able to drive a similar set of LEDs in parallel & with the opposite polarity

is this system providing power out independent of source? no - we're just adding load up to the drive capability of the signal source & transformer combination; it's just that it appears to the human eye that each additional increment in the load is adding to the power transfer & not sharing it between them

LEDs don't generate much heat - so its difficult to use temperature to measure the power out

why use LEDs when you could just drive heaters (or temperature-stable resistors?), use a calorimeter and get some once-and-for-all results which confirm or deny a power transfer anomaly?

so, why use LEDs? after all, we're not trying to make it difficult to see what's going on ...are we?

some interesting observations to be found on the Stiffler Scientific logo:-
  the flask in the LH lower corner has the label '317', the white stripes at the base of the 'Science' shield are the equivalent of 317 in binary, the series of red 'dots' in the blue banner behind the eagle's head are the units representation of 317

what's the deal with 317? well, anyone who used to play with calculators will tell you that 317 makes 'LIE' when you turn it upside down - is there a hidden agenda here we need to know about?

google turned up some interesting results for Ron Stiffler and telos-research on the OUPower.com website back in Nov 2004
  http://oupower.com/forum/index.php3?request=2951&HoursOld=48

PS did i miss the post which explains the 'selfrunning' in this thread's title?

Hi

It is a shame to see such a post! I recently joined here because it seemed that it has so much useful info, but also some rude people too. I ask Stefan to delete these types of posts. You sound like those people who think know what electricity is! But let me tell you something: Even Tesla the inventor of our whole power industry claimed that he did not know what electricity was.

So when we talk about cold electricity don't expect to measure the output power by amps or heat.
Please apologize Dr Stiffler,

That's all I can say, Take care
Elias

[fritz]

Wow! You sound like a Mr. H20FORME type of guy???

Should not have wasted all that time, pity. 317 is the catalog number of bacterium I found in human skin cells and the 317 is the number of days it took until it was identified. Cheers Dude.

ROTFL___________________
If I search for strange numbercodes on special
transistor/ic - and find nothing - I typical endup
in some sequence of the human genome.
_ sorry _, offtopic
what next ?

Happy Christmas !!!!