Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[Freezer]

i'm not interested in the inevitable maelstrom of assumption, speculaton and criticism that will ensue if i do that. nope, no aches...

Why even talk about it then?  To dangle an imaginary sting?  Yea go hide in a corner then.

That is probably the right decision. I'm sure you realize that every one wants someone else to do all the work and post the finished product so all can have.

That's what you really believe?  I've worked almost daily for 2 years with the sec, trying to learn all I can, and I am sad that you view people like me as a leach who sits around and does nothing but wait for your next step up.  Perhaps there are people who don't have the brilliant background of superior electronic skills such as you who want to learn and educate themselves in order to further the cause, and break free of the cell we are born into.  But f them right?  They add nothing.  It's no wonder humanity is in the gutter.

I always thought it was about helping people.."I" will continue to believe that, and no one will convince me otherwise.  Better believe if I have anything good to share I'm gonna ram it down peoples' throats.

That's all from me.  Feel free to get rid of me like the others.

[DrStiffler]

Why even talk about it then?  To dangle an imaginary sting?  Yea go hide in a corner then.

That's what you really believe?  I've worked almost daily for 2 years with the sec, trying to learn all I can, and I am sad that you view people like me as a leach who sits around and does nothing but wait for your next step up.  Perhaps there are people who don't have the brilliant background of superior electronic skills such as you who want to learn and educate themselves in order to further the cause, and break free of the cell we are born into.  But f them right?  They add nothing.  It's no wonder humanity is in the gutter.

I always thought it was about helping people.."I" will continue to believe that, and no one will convince me otherwise.  Better believe if I have anything good to share I'm gonna ram it down peoples' throats.

That's all from me.  Feel free to get rid of me like the others.

What you have just stated justifies what I said. Just read back through this thread and the one on EF and if you don't understand what I was saying then join the group.

Really, Helping people and (Carrying) people is totally two different things. What every give someone the right to say that because I spent my life working and learning, sweating and crying that I now owe all of what I have or can accomplish to the rest of the world??

Silly way of looking at things. Example, when I was a very young person in school they did not worry about such things as politically correct, self esteem, bullies. You were complemented and rewarded by a gold star or your name at the top of the list for getting the top score in a test. Gee now we all don't want to hurt little Johns or Judy's feelings but doing something so simple and effective, now we pay our children to pass test that they cheat on. Yes indeed it is a great day in society for sure and all the young people that feel this way have no clue how it all runs and waht to do when it falls apart.

Join the line at the cliff and let those great intellectual politicians serve you needs with housing food and whatever 'they feel' 'they' want to give you.

Oh yes! If I could pull all my circuits back ad take them to the grave I would, I don't feel they will benefit anyone, you have to give forth to receive, not just receive.

So don't give me this high and might assessment of how life is.

[Freezer]

Really, Helping people and (Carrying) people is totally two different things. What every give someone the right to say that because I spent my life working and learning, sweating and crying that I now owe all of what I have or can accomplish to the rest of the world??

I agree you owe nobody anything, it's up to you whether you want to "share" that knowledge for the benefit of others.

We are all on this rock together, sure there's 80% who would step on you to get to a higher plane.  But it's not about them.  How do you think the human race advances itself?  It builds upon the information the previous generation left behind.

I don't mean to imply that you are a bad guy, I actually have a lot of respect for you and what you have already freely given to the community, where so many others haven't.  I don't view you as someone looking for the big payout, I've never viewed you in this way.  If you were you wouldn't have shared so much as you did.  If you want to patent and sell your system, I think you have definitely earned that, and I have no problem with that what's so ever..I wish you good luck with that, "honestly".  If I ever see it on the market, I will be one of the first to stand in line, because I'm sure it will be a kickass product.  Again, if you need help with aesthetics, ergonomics or usability I would be happy to help. 

I am only sad that you would up and leave the group because someone questions your integrity or says something wrong.  Why should it be so easy to make you leave?  Who cares what someone else thinks.  It really doesn't matter as long as you are doing what you love to do.  I'm not asking you to "carry" anyone.  I was known by some of my teachers for being very independent, because I would take the initiative to learn things myself without asking the teacher, so I know exactly what you mean by that.  Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed him for life..

Oh yes! If I could pull all my circuits back ad take them to the grave I would, I don't feel they will benefit anyone, you have to give forth to receive, not just receive.

Too late, they have already helped many people lite their way. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibE7IqEjni4

[DrStiffler]

I agree you owe nobody anything, it's up to you whether you want to "share" that knowledge for the benefit of others.

We are all on this rock together, sure there's 80% who would step on you to get to a higher plane.  But it's not about them.  How do you think the human race advances itself?  It builds upon the information the previous generation left behind.

I don't mean to imply that you are a bad guy, I actually have a lot of respect for you and what you have already freely given to the community, where so many others haven't.  I don't view you as someone looking for the big payout, I've never viewed you in this way.  If you were you wouldn't have shared so much as you did.  If you want to patent and sell your system, I think you have definitely earned that, and I have no problem with that what's so ever..I wish you good luck with that, "honestly".  If I ever see it on the market, I will be one of the first to stand in line, because I'm sure it will be a kickass product.  Again, if you need help with aesthetics, ergonomics or usability I would be happy to help. 

I am only sad that you would up and leave the group because someone questions your integrity or says something wrong.  Why should it be so easy to make you leave?  Who cares what someone else thinks.  It really doesn't matter as long as you are doing what you love to do.  I'm not asking you to "carry" anyone.  I was known by some of my teachers for being very independent, because I would take the initiative to learn things myself without asking the teacher, so I know exactly what you mean by that.  Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed him for life..

Too late, they have already helped many people lite their way. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibE7IqEjni4

Thank you... now that you have passed the initial reaction to what I said I think what you state makes sense (well almost all).

Teaching a man to fish is much different than fishing for him. I have and continue to freely give out information that many have connected the dots to, so I have no regrets as to my methods nor shall I apologize to anyone for trying to get some understanding across.

Here is the bottom line, and I have been kick, poked, stepped on and rejected for every saying it, but I'll say it again and what it is, is that to play in the sand box you need your own shovel. Everyone want so called (free) energy, and it is out there and will come, but it will be controlled like the energy you get today. Why, well many reasons, but the one I keep saying over and over again is that you can not obtain the results I obtain from my circuits unless you can observe the dynamics of the circuits themselves. I once made the stupid statement that got me the wrath of Kahn that you needed $40K minimum of equipment to get a CEC>1. Well I won't say that again, but.... So where does that leave the pursuit? If the man on the street does not have the capability to build, test and tune the devices he needs, then what is the answer? Well someone else must, is that commercialization? Yes when it the utilities that do it. Why do you you think I ever built the 15, 18, 20 and 40 series boards? For profit, hey! I made enough to maybe pay two months electric bills in Houston Texas for the months of July and August, if you think that is business and making a profit for all the work involve, then I don't want you for a business partner.

I built these boards so everyone could have a stable platform to work and explore from, period. ALL of the boards are capable of CEC>1, but how does the average user see than? Oh, sorry, free runner, please folks that is not the sole test of so called over-unity.

Simply put I don't take any sh__, why do I have to? Who do I owe? I am trying to get people to not only see what is possible but open the door in their mine so hundreds of people can tap the energy sources available in many different ways. It's like getting the feel for that slight tug on that fishing line as the fish nibbles the bait and knowing just when to jerk the line to set the hook.

But then again I guess we have fish markets because all people can not or do not want to fish and they get real mad when the market is out.

Thanks for answering back, I see now that maybe you (as I many times) took what I said wrong and maybe, just maybe we are not all that far apart.

[WilbyInebriated]

i had a long winded response all typed up, but,
like sands through the hourglass so are the days of OUr lives...


freezer, the reason i said anything certainly wasn't to dangle a string... it was to share, and perhaps, like the doc did to me, to inspire... i said it once before when i was still working on it, in the half baked section in a thread about 'burn water for heating system' and had to deal with talking heads like spoondini making assumptions, positing flawed arguments and jumping to conclusions. go read it and you may start to understand where i am coming from. ok, back to my corner to hide...

doc stiffler, the TEG is ancient, and massive. i scavenged it, crazy what people will throw away... it's from the 30's or 40's? it was originally used to power a radio from a kerosene lamp. man, they don't make shit like they used to.
i owe you a world of thanks for what you did choose to share...

to whom it may concern,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_GqE5aDR68   this isn't the one i used. read the comments for a good laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Dak5UOjew

there is the JTEC also. the user lumen? has mentioned it a couple times IIRC.
http://www.johnsonems.com/?q=node/2