Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[Localjoe]

@Spokane
              If you dont mind me asking your wording in this fourm is very careful and i was curious if you were a private research group or a goverment agency or contractor. The only reason i ask is after reading the following remarks it seems you refer to yourself in a plural "us". now dont get me wrong none of them are harmful comments i just intrigued me and well i was curious . I mean no offense asking this.

"Thank you for your factual analysis and any replies that you might have time to share with us concerning this multitude of questions"

"Do you have enough experience in the marketing of these components such that if I were to discover that a particular salvaged loop stick had a record breaking performance  that you could tell me from looking at it where, when, and by who it was made? (I know this is a tall order but it might be a skill very much in demand in the near future)"

My sincere thanks to Scorpio and Mr. Hartmann for disclosing this most useful variation.

most posts say dear non funded researchers .. hmm then another says non classical

I was just wondering so I had to ask. Sorry

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*removed* EM

[hoptoad]

Instead of making a simple in series chain of all same polarity facing diodes (LEDS), try making a series "AV" plug from the LEDS themselves.

That is, bypass the signal diodes altogether, kill off the capacitor in the AV circuit if your using one, they are not needed, and instead connect one end of the secondary to a series of "AV LEDS" which is simply one LED facing one direction in parallel with another LED in the opposite direction. 2 LEDS in opposite direction make an "AV LED". Now simply hook up as many of these "AV LED" pairs in series as you can. I have 50 Leds making up 25 "AV LEDS" and the interesting thing to note is, each pair of LEDS adds to the total brightness of all the other LEDS as the plug chain grows with each added "AV LED" pair. At the end of the chain is a 20 cm piece of wire.

hoptoad,

pretty interesting idea, this way we take the energy directly off the single wire before it is converted, but just to confirm here's a schematic?

@ Amigo

Yep, the diagram you posted is exactly the lay-out I've used for my LEDS.

I originally set it up as per the Stiffler "AV" hook up, with all 50 leds wired in a single series chain back to the "AV", but then I stripped down the elements oneby one, and eventually re-configured the O/P as shown by your diagram above. I am getting a lot more out of the same 50 LEDS set up as a chain of series "AV LEDS", than I did in the original layout.

I also have a "bar" magnet consisting of 4 neo's, which is layed lengthwise in parallel to the ferrite antenna. I would prefer to use "Heel or Front End" tuning, which is the shifting of the coils towards one end or other of the core, but my core is a self contained sealed unit which I cannot access directly.

I couldn't help noticing that when I connected the first 2 LEDS while the oscillator was turned on and running, the temperature of the transistor/s
increased dramatically and got quite hot. As I added the "AV LEDS", the temp decreased. Each added pair of Leds increased the brightness of the previous pair/s.

I have no usable voltage and current measuring instruments at the moment. The only meters I have are cheap Digital Multi-Meters, which go completely "wild" when I turn the circuit on. But I deduce that the current in the driver circuit is actually decreasing with each added pair of LEDS, leading me to believe that the brightness will continue to increase with further addition of pairs, until the load impedance equals that of the secondary impedance which is, theoretically, very high,  if it is indeed, a self tuning resonating circuit!

I just started a new 9-5 job today, so I'll have to wait until the week end to buy some more components and measuring equipment.
This circuit is very interesting. If nothing else it has revealed some unusual properties of LEDS themselves!

Also I am not using an aluminium plate, and have no ground connection, and I am using a 12V battery powered circuit.

The bright lights have got me hooked and dazed..........KneeDeep......KneeDeep

Cheers all from the Toad who Hops

[hoptoad]

Now the cold shower
In the my preceding post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3457.msg61260.html#msg61260

I affirmed that with 150 MA I drive 50 LEDs with 10V of tension, but what seems to be a device that produces more energy of how much it consumes, it is absolutely false. If to get a LED, with the same brightness of the other ones drive by the oscillator, using as source of energy 10V, it is necessary to insert a resistance, but a resistance consumes energy, energy that I cannot use for drive the LED. Here this is the error that so many do, with these types of experiments. Instead of putting a resistance, we put to his place the LEDs, in this way instead of burning energy we use the LED to illuminate. How many LED for 10 V are needed ? More other 4, in total they make 5 LEDs, under these conditions the resistance is not necessary and therefore we don't waste energy.
Finally thare is 5 bright LED, that consumes, verified to the tester, 4 mA alone, that for a power of 10 V, they absorb a total of 40 mW of energy. In my experiment 50 LED consumed 1500 mW (1,5 W) or 150 mW for 5 LEDs, and therefore the efficiency of the system is low, equal to: 150/40 = 26%!

From these simple example we deduced that:

The apparatus planned by Stiffer, can be defined OU producer only if it needs less energy of how much is necessary  for piloting a group of LED connected in series and directly drive by the power tension.

Unfortunately, my apparatus is very distant to be been able to produce OU, but that of Stiffler, if what says it is true, could he have more possibility, but has he made the comparative test with the LED directly fed by power tension ?

Stiller say:

The preceding 'Thomas' oscillator as shown will drive the common SEC coil
to an OU of +2 when using 36 White LEDS. The input current is a small
40mA. This is a great oscillator and simple to build for work with SEC.

The comparative test i easy to do,I would like Stiffler to do it, also to verify how much affirmed corresponds to the reality.

Best regards,
Adriano

@ Adriano

Good on you for providing the "Standard Candle" comparison driven by 10 V DC. It has been my contention with this experiment, that a "standard candle" needs to be established to measure outcomes against it.

What is needed with your  5 LEDs on 10 V DC at 4 ma is a light reading by a sensitive light meter at a specific distance from a single LED. Then all the parameters of the circuit can be compared with any one of the 5 LEDS which would be the "standard candle".

Even though the LEDS are very bright at 4 ma in your "standard candle", what interests me in these experiments, is if the LEDS can be same brightness levels or even brighter with RF excitation, in the same way that fluroescent tubes are more efficient when driven by RF than by direct HV.

When I get some more components and some decent measuring equiptment, I'm definitely going to put this circuit through the wringer, and see just what sort of efficiencies can be achieved. I'm still skeptical at this stage. But I'm an active skeptic...... KneeDeep... KneeDeep..

P.S. There's just so many strange things about the way this circuit works. Especially the really high intensity heat which occurs when you very lightly touch certain parts of the circuit. It's like a stinging nettle!  If you touch it firmly, there are no prickles, but touch it lightly, and WOW, the heat is incredible. No electric jolting, just pure heat that hurts very quickly!

Cheers all!

[derricka]

@ Spokane1

Attempting to increase measurement resistor values to improve accuracy can actually backfire on you in several ways, because once the measurement resistor begins to approach the resistance value of the test load, it will reduce power going to the load... especially affecting non linear loads!  Another drawback can be thermal and inductive effects. Resistors are well known for changing in value depending on temeperature. More heat = lower accuracy. Substituting a larger, more thermally stable resistor may cause significant inductance losses at high frequencies, again, reducing accuracy or circuit performance.  Choosing the right resistor involves tradeoffs at BOTH ends!

A prime example of a thermally non linear load is a 100 watt light bulb. Its really just a resistor.  Go ahead and measure the resistance with an ohm meter.  Now use ohms law to solve for power (Power = E squared over R) when you know the voltage ( E=120) and resistance (you just measured).  Wow! your calculation shows a lot more than 100 watts dosn't it?