Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[PaulLowrance]

Dr. Stiffler,

The manufacturer might be saying that the typical bcap is 3F, and is *capable* of such high current, but the cap might be inefficient at high current. If it is, then you can't get all of the cap energy into the load unless you use low current tests. I'm not siding with the manufacturer, and I'm not saying that's the way their caps are, but I know the caps will most likely be more efficient at 40mA versus 2000mA. This might be an inherent effect of such super/ultra capacitors. The question is, if one did the experiments at say 40mA, then would it amount to 3F.

Regards,
Paul

[DrStiffler]

Dr. Stiffler,

The manufacturer might be saying that the typical bcap is 3F, and is *capable* of such high current, but the cap might be inefficient at high current. If it is, then you can't get all of the cap energy into the load unless you use low current tests. I'm not siding with the manufacturer, and I'm not saying that's the way their caps are, but I know the caps will most likely be more efficient at 40mA versus 2000mA. This might be an inherant effect of such super/ultra capacitors. The question is, if one did the experiments at say 40mA, then would it amount to 3F.

Regards,
Paul

@Mr. Lowrance

Very well stated and very close to complete. This is why when anyone says they have reached OU with Ultra/Super Cap charging one must take it with a grain of salt, unless the cap has been properly analyzed and charted, otherwise charge and discharge rate (R) will affect what the capacity is that is realized.

Very good.

[PaulLowrance]

Thanks Dr. Stiffler. Nice work you've done, and looking forward to more of your research & circuits!

This all reminds me of a favorite quote,

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
Albert Einstein

[hartiberlin]

@Kator01 @All

I'm not back to get into discussions or start the usual fireline as last time, I may pop in no and them when it looks like a bit of input may help.

And so is the case with Super Caps. Measuring the time constant of Super Caps is a waste of ones time, it does not provide accurate information.

I have included a link to a paper I did on Boost Caps and the paper contains references to other papers and manufactures on how a Super Cap must be tested. If not done properly many different values can be determined from the same cap under test.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12389577/Auto-Audio-Boost-Capacitor-Test-Paper

Hi Dr.Stiffler,
had a quick look at your measurements.

Well, you used only 5 and 10 ohms load resistors to do this.

What would come out of this test, if you would use
100 Ohm and 1000 ohm load resistors ?

Maybe as Paul said, the lower the current is, the better and
more efficient these caps will be ?

What I found very interesting in your test was, that you needed
less time to charge up the caps with the ? same load resistor ?

So doesn´t that already say, that there is an energy gain ?

During charging the caps seemed to have a smaller capacity,
so you needed less Joules from the power supply.

During discharge the caps seemed to have a larger capacity
and thus delivered more Joules to the load resistor ?

Maybe this is the effect user Gadgetmail is using,
cause he claims his JT circuit with a supercap is overunity ?

Please let me know your comments.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[DrStiffler]

Hi Dr.Stiffler,
had a quick look at your measurements.

Well, you used only 5 and 10 ohms load resistors to do this.

What would come out of this test, if you would use
100 Ohm and 1000 ohm load resistors ?

Maybe as Paul said, the lower the current is, the better and
more efficient these caps will be ?

What I found very interesting in your test was, that you needed
less time to charge up the caps with the ? same load resistor ?

So doesn´t that already say, that there is an energy gain ?

During charging the caps seemed to have a smaller capacity,
so you needed less Joules from the power supply.

During discharge the caps seemed to have a larger capacity
and thus delivered more Joules to the load resistor ?

Maybe this is the effect user Gadgetmail is using,
cause he claims his JT circuit with a supercap is overunity ?

Please let me know your comments.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan

I did in my last answer (Paul L.) state that R does make a difference in what the C result may be. It is extremely hard to obtain a set of factory test specifications. Indeed I tried hard. Mallory does have available some info, (See References in my paper). Also looking at the tests and procedures I reference will help explain this and show some of the pit falls one my run into.

I DO NOT think Ultra/Super capacitors are mini OU factories, rather they have changing internal dynamics based and affected by charge/discharge rates.