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Working Attraction Magnet Motor on Youtube!?

Started by ken_nyus, October 15, 2007, 10:08:47 PM

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Omnibus

Always remember that in SMOT the force of gravity is in opposite direction to the magnetic force. A device whereby these two forces are in the same direction is not a SMOT and there would be no violation of CoE in it. In @shruggedatlass' examples, based only on gravity, a given initially imparted amount of energy was turning back and forth in other kinds of energy. These are not analogs of SMOT and are not in violation of CoE. Same applies to the numerous devices @gaby de Wilde was proposing, one of which is the above device. Proposing such devices to study excess energy only shows muddled thinking and poor understanding of the matters under discussion here. To get back on track, study carefully what Naudin has done and don't jump to conclusions before you have given it enough thought. I tried to explain it as succinctly as I could at least twice in my recent posts. Of course, the best way to understand why SMOT produces excess energy is by carefully reading my analysis of a SMOT in which the ball travels along the A-B-C-A loop. It is high time this to be understood so that we can really move on to reproducing properly SMOT-like devices such as the one proposed by @xpenzif where the excess energy is produced continuously (unlike the excess energy in the classical SMOT where it is obtained discontinuously).

hansvonlieven

Omnibus,

The experiment I suggested is DEFINITIVE! No matter how you wriggle to maintain your illusion, this will show it up one way or another.

Do it.  But then, you have, by your own admission, never built a SMOT in your life. You only analyse them.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Omnibus

Quote from: hansvonlieven on November 19, 2007, 02:14:38 AM
Omnibus,

The experiment I suggested is DEFINITIVE! No matter how you wriggle to maintain your illusion, this will show it up one way or another.

Do it.  But then, you have, by your own admission, never built a SMOT in your life. You only analyse them.

Hans von Lieven
No, it isn't. It has nothing to do with excess energy because no excess energy is produced in it, as I already explained. I have commented on this experiment long ago when @gaby de Wilde first proposed it. Raising the ball above two centers of attraction, as in this experiment, will not produce excess energy.

Omnibus

An experiment clearly demonstrating production of excess energy is that of Naudin. And, of course, the best one proving beyond doubt that excess energy i obtained is the experiment whereby the ball travels along the A-B-C-A loop. These are already settled matters and only people with muddled thinking (or some who aren't scientists but still are curious and want to clarify this or that) make this a recurring topic. The real discussion has furthered long ago and now is about the convenient practical application of the produced excess energy (excess energy in classical SMOT can also find practical applications but because it's discontinuously produced it's application isn't as straightforward).

hansvonlieven

Quote from: Omnibus on November 19, 2007, 02:19:08 AM
Raising the ball above two centers of attraction, as in this experiment, will not produce excess energy.

In other words it doesn't work. Thanks Omnibus!

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx