Working Attraction Magnet Motor on Youtube!?

[Omnibus]

@ Omnibus:

With all due respect sir, and I do respect your knowledge of physics, you keep touting Xpensiv's device as an example.  I totally disagree.  I think this device was a fraud from the word go. (Please feel free to check all of my posts on the matter)  A lot of others here agree.  My replication attempts, as well as many others, have shown this to be "true".  Please show evidence that we are all wrong.  He is gone so he is of no help here.  I have seen nothing, I repeat, nothing that "demonstrates" that this was not a fraud.  Show us something that overturns this and I will apologize to him. Until then, I remain hopeful, but not encouraged.

Bill

What's funny is that expezif's device does not even have two conservative fields, so I do not know why Omnibus is so gung ho on it.  It is positioned sideways, so gravity is not a factor, only magnetic force is (well, and the hairdryer).  Omnibus is so desperate for any validation, he will cling even to an obvious scam until the bitter end.  To him, the video is prima facie evidence that now needs to be disproved beyond all doubt, which is of course impossible, since any failure can be easily explained by the screws not being correctly placed, etc.

I explained it once why there is a superposition of conservative fields in @xpenzif's device and I'm not going to repeat it because someone doesn't want to read and think. As for the obvious fraud, that's preposterous. Such allegations must be proved. The burden of proof for such allegations is on the person making them.

[Pirate88179]

No, again, I respectfully disagree.  The burden of proof is on the guy that made the claim, and disappeared.  I call it fraud, he needs to prove me wrong.  He posted the video and made the claims, he needs to back them up, which he did not, and probably can not do.  Just my view on the matter.

Bill

[Omnibus]

No, again, I respectfully disagree.  The burden of proof is on the guy that made the claim, and disappeared.  I call it fraud, he needs to prove me wrong.  He posted the video and made the claims, he needs to back them up, which he did not, and probably can not do.  Just my view on the matter.

Bill

Whoever makes allegations (say, for fraud) must prove these allegations. The burden of proof is on the person making the allegations.

Think about how science works. Someone publishes results which others cannot reproduce. The reasons for this can be numerous but the first researcher will never be accused of fraud, unless it is proven that fraud has indeed been committed. Even in such cases the final conclusion may not be fraud. Recall what happened with the investigation of congressman Dingell in Dr. Baltimore's case. It took over ten years, FBI got involved, US Congress got involved amidst numerous allegations for fraud on the part of Imanishi-Kari (Baltimore's assistant) and nevertheless the final outcome was acquitting them of all these allegations. It is very difficult to prove fraud in research and when one makes such allegations one must have real facts to back them up, not that others weren't able to reproduce the results of that research.

[Omnibus]

Now I'm interested in some more practical questions. Does anyone know how one can find out what exact type the various hard drive stepper motors are. What was that 8-tooth stepper motor that was said to be so important in @xpenzif's device that it wouldn't work otherwise? Any model number? It was said that the device won't work on a free ball bearing. Remember, there were a couple of guys who said they have it working (although never showed a video, except for that guy from Texas but that wasn't really it).

[Omnibus]

These hard drives are really some achievement in fine mechanics. Not much info about the stepper motors they use, though.