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Overunity Machines Forum



Working Attraction Magnet Motor on Youtube!?

Started by ken_nyus, October 15, 2007, 10:08:47 PM

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markdansie

Dear Omnibus,
I appreciate your posts. I do have a question,
In Rference to " I don?t think in this respect it is different from the Torbay, Fecera or Perendev motor." i am not aware of any independent validation or successful replication of any of these devices. If you know of any I would appreciate it.
I do hope like many others that a real device does emerge. i have unfortunately seen many that havnt and often I am under NDA's when testing them. Its ironic that the NDA's dont protect the intellectual property but rather I cant go public and dislose that they dont work. Suc's.
I really cant see this device moving forward unless we do hear from the inventor or someone successfully replicates it.
Kind Regards
Mark

Omnibus

Quote from: markdansie on October 24, 2007, 04:39:32 PM
Dear Omnibus,
I appreciate your posts. I do have a question,
In Rference to " I don?t think in this respect it is different from the Torbay, Fecera or Perendev motor." i am not aware of any independent validation or successful replication of any of these devices. If you know of any I would appreciate it.
I do hope like many others that a real device does emerge. i have unfortunately seen many that havnt and often I am under NDA's when testing them. Its ironic that the NDA's dont protect the intellectual property but rather I cant go public and dislose that they dont work. Suc's.
I really cant see this device moving forward unless we do hear from the inventor or someone successfully replicates it.
Kind Regards
Mark
No, I don't know of any successful replication of these devices. The only working perpetuum mobile that I've seen personally is that of Finsrud. There are, however, some very simple experiments to be carried out to exclude the objection that it's just a very efficient re-distributor of an initially imparted energy. Unfortunately, Finsrud hasn't been cooperative in clarifying this issue.

As I've said before, my confidence that such motors can exist is based on the fact that I've already conclusively proven the CoE can be violated. When experimenting to prove that, tuning-up has been a major issue. For instance, although an experiment such as this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2383887636280790847 conclusively proves CoE is violated the mere constructing of the device isn't as straightforward as it may seem not to say that the effect can be larger upon better adjustment. That's why I think tune-up is a major issue in producing such motors.

Liberty

If you think about what is happening when a magnet is placed near a piece of metal/iron, the metal reacts by forming a magnetic field opposite (so as to be in attraction) to the magnet and allow magnetic flux flow.  Therefore, the other end of the metal will form the same pole as the magnet.  As the magnet moves closer to the end of the metal, at some point the pole will flip, and the attractive force will be back toward the area that was travelled previously with the same pole as the magnet being formed at the beginning of the metal piece.  The next piece of metal will also form an attractive force, and there will be two attractive forces spaced apart creating a gap of equal attraction forces.  When metal is used with a magnet, it is simply a weak magnet that is formed that has a moving domain until it is easier for the flux to flow the other way through the metal (pole flip). 

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Liberty

"Converting Magnetic Force Into Motion"
Liberty Permanent Magnet Motor

Omnibus

As I've mentioned before, human eye cannot see the magnetic fields but these are the field responsible for the effects. Symmetrical constructions on the face of it produce asymmetric magnetic fields whose form isn't clear to conveniently allow adjustment. In @xpenzif's case we have the advantage, as in SMOT, to have pieces of steel, not magnets, floating in the magnetic field of the stator. This is a major advantage. Still, as I mentioned above, even in SMOT constructing it to be efficient isn't as straightforward as it may seem.

Omnibus

Quote from: Liberty on October 24, 2007, 10:29:18 PM
If you think about what is happening when a magnet is placed near a piece of metal/iron, the metal reacts by forming a magnetic field opposite (so as to be in attraction) to the magnet and allow magnetic flux flow.  Therefore, the other end of the metal will form the same pole as the magnet.  As the magnet moves closer to the end of the metal, at some point the pole will flip, and the attractive force will be back toward the area that was travelled previously with the same pole as the magnet being formed at the beginning of the metal piece.  The next piece of metal will also form an attractive force, and there will be two attractive forces spaced apart creating a gap of equal attraction forces.  When metal is used with a magnet, it is simply a weak magnet that is formed that has a moving domain until it is easier for the flux to flow the other way through the metal (pole flip). 

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Correct. In this case, however, the iron pieces are asymmetric and when the flipping occurs the attraction to the more massive head will be greater than to the less massive tail.