Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[jeanna]

@Jeanna:

Joe is correct.  Your mA should be higher.  My latest coil has 2 layers of 55 winds each of cu and fe.  My first coil has 1 layer of 55 winds of each.  Possibly you need more length/winds to get better mA?  I have not cracked the 20 mA mark yet, but very close at 19.
My gauge is 18 for each. the winds are 40 of each all together. I just have a smaller device than either of you. Less metal surface, less amperage.
Are you soaking your coil in water? (the sink)  My measurements were taken while the coil was under water.  It continues to put out the same as it dries out, then gets less and less as it does so.
Yes, I soaked it this time. Then I took it out and it is still leaving water in the bottom of the jar it is propped up in.

we will see much better readings out in the field than we see in water. 
I believe you are right about this.

why dig holes when a container of water was much easier to do, and easier to move around?  I think now when we have our coils outside in the ground we will see something of the teluric currents coming into play here as well.  This guy (NS) was using many different phenomena to achieve his results.
Bill

When I got up this morning, I decided to read the patent again. It made a lot more sense than yesterday just because the hands on of yesterday informed me and parts of sentences popped out at me that I had totally missed.

I could tell you what I learned today by reading the patent, but I think the same thing will happen to all of us as we continue to build, certain parts of the patent will make more sense. I plan to read it again before I start tomorrow, too.

I personally do not think NS was trying to hide any secrets from people to make them buy batteries from him. I think it is all there. It is as he says a "novel construction, combination and arrangement of parts". it really is.  *

And that is the reason I am trying my best to use the materials that he had available to him in the way he describes. There is plenty of time to make it my or our way later if we can just get his thing going his way.

Anyway, I will make a bigger one in a few weeks. I need to be at a retreat next week and I don't want to buy anything from the net until I return. So, I am trying to make do with what I have here. So, I am making small devices. But they still show something.

jeanna

* I agree there is a good possibility that he neglected to go into detail about how he best liked to allow the device to short and unshort, but we don't know yet.

[Localjoe]

@jenna
you wrote-
"I personally do not think NS was trying to hide any secrets from people to make them buy batteries from him. I think it is all there. It is as he says a "novel construction, combination and arrangement of parts". it really is.  *"

Who said he wanted to hide stuff so people would by product... >? I think you got confused

I said earlier that the patent office made him re word his patent and wouldnt give it the proper name hense the two devices described in the patent.. Ive had others confirm this, the descriptions of the devices are not in order with there counterparts we also evaluated other patents at the same time period and they didnt show the odd disorganization his did.But anyways it was just a metaphor sometimes great inventors dont always spell out their whole story tesla is famous for this in his patents but he is much more organized.

Secondly i stated the novel combination of devices and arrangements are indicative of a multiuse product and when people sell things in this world.. they love more options for the same device they have bought.

In those two statements i in no way shape or form meant he was hiding things to sell batteries.
                                                                                               Joe   

[Pirate88179]

@ Joe:

I agree with you.  I think the patent office has done this type of stuff many times before, and since.  If you applied for a patent for an "anti-gravity" device, they might kick it back to you and say that you have to re-name it.  So, you come up with: "A device for minimizing the gravitational effects on a stationary body at 1 g." and they grant you the patent.

I think the government should establish the United States Open Source Office. (USOSO)  This would be a clearing house for all open source devices in order to insure the original inventors received credit for their inventions.  Nothing else, just the credit.  Ah, if only the government would listen to me once in a while.

Bill

[Pirate88179]

 
Joe:

I found this on the link you posted on the surplus shed.  Is this what you had in mind?  check out the specs.  It says it will run on .5 volts, 10mA.  We have that and more.  The price is right too.  This would work for your interrupter idea. Of course, you probably know all this already and have several of these motors.  I posted this in case you didn't see it.
Bill

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[Localjoe]

@Bill

Sure those would be good little motors to use but , the power req shouldnt be of issue with this..

The Primary coil on the earth battery does not feed power to the motor , remember this is important.  I think some folks are getting confused as to the operation of the induction coil version.

We need to make and break the primary meaning on and off so the disk with the foil strips would do that well it would connect the wires and unconnect them just like you said we could use more strips for quicker on off's..

But this motor rotary disk gap would be powered by its own battery hooked to a potentiometer, or variable resistor, i think either would work, a speed control basically.

So this what folks need to know about the power readings were getting on our primary right now ,

1) higher is better. im thinking the volts will peak around 1.2 to 1.5 and as much amperage as possible.

2) The two wires in the primary arent acctually hooked to anything other than brushes that would be on either side of the disk with foil strips

3)After that part is done you will  be able to have disk spinning at whatever speed you want it to eg the speed control knob

                                *** This is just the primary were talking about still ***
Next wind a secondary coil with normal plastic insulation of as many layers as you can.

Hook a meter set to ac ~  volts not dc to either end of the secondary coil so one lead doesent matter which  on either side of the secondary coil

now comes the fun -  Turn on your motor and bring the speed up slowly while watching the meter  you should start to see immedate results and as well we will be able to easlily find if different freq/speed of motor yeild more power in the secondary.  

If everyone already gets this im sorry i just wanted to be real clear