Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[hansvonlieven]

Thank you Bill,

I'm gonna drop back and punt. I want to describe what I see. Maybe if we all do that we can pass around ideas. ?

I See 4 coils like chokes. 3 are one size and 1 is shorter. I can not see the ground but it appears that they are stuck in the ground. On one of them the wire extends to the top of the black box and I see another shorter coil at this top spot but I can't see if it is from a separate wire but it looks to me like the end of one of them. On the top does one of these wires become that antenna looking thing?

On the other side of the black thing, next to his son, are 4  straight poles. Again probably but not shown to be stuck in the ground. 3 look similar in that they have a globe on the top above the "beer can" and one is shorter and has only a hemisphere on its top part.

I see one wire from each of these and on the 3 taller ones with globe tops, I see the wire attached to the very top and circling around to attach again at the bottom of the globe. (I see this mostly in front of the child's arm.) On the shorter one the wire is just attached at the bottom of the upper hemisphere. In all cases, I see them no longer touching the pole and appearing to go down. Maybe they also touch or go into the ground?

What else do you see? There sure are a lot of wires and things

jeanna

It's not all that complicated Jeanna.

Get your clues from the first picture I posted. Consider Stubblefield to be on the receiving end of a line as the picture says. Then go back to the larger picture. To me it is simple. The second picture is a shot of a base station with four subscribers. Whether it actually worked or whether it was especially set up for the photograph is anyone's guess though I favour the second. His real base station would have had many, many wires, far too confusing to show to anyone. I think this is a picture taken to promote his service.

I am having second thoughts about the ceramic insulators.

I come from a small rural community in Germany. I am also quite old. When I was a kid, and for quite a few years after that there were still many telegraph poles around that had been set up during Stubblefield's time. Many of them still had their original insulators.

I have racked my brains trying to think whether they had holes that went through them or not.

I do not think they did. If that is what Stubblefield used he must have drilled the hole to the top himself, not a difficult task, but I think he would have had to do it.

I'll do a bit of checking but I have a feeling this is right.

Hans von Lieven

Con-tseung-tious say: Only diligent contemplation and investigation will Lead Out truth in scientific investigation. 

Flying Saucer here we come!!!

[Freezer]

I saw the picture of your cells, and as close as they are to one another, they are capacitors with the earth as a dialectic, no?  This is how my copper/ zinc couples are set up, but the plates may be the way to go.

I saw four plates per cell, is this correct?  Have you tested with only two plates, or six plates, to see if it matters?

What metal type are your plates made out of??

I'm just using copper and galvanized sheet. The plates don't do well when 90 degrees to each other, only parallel, where the surface area is most effective and close.  I tried the clamp, and it wasn't much better than 1/16 to around a millimeter, in mA's.  I've been testing out different shapes to see, and am still testing different ways to do it.  I did test that 12 plate cell and it wasn't very good, mainly due to the distance between, so I changed it. Its like two magnets, the closer they are the more force.

If you surround the electrode with the other it gives better mA's, which is why I guess its good to sandwich the plates, as you have two plates which are covered on both sides.  I read through more cell patents, and all of them have the two metals close together as possible.  For instance I read one where the zinc, and copper sheet were rolled into a spiral with cloth separating them.  Got me thinking maybe the golden section done with zinc/copper could yield more. When you wrap it in that such way you also cover both sides with the other metal.  If you are putting it into the soil, the distance between the plates will be limited, unless you surround the outside with soil, and use a special material separator in-between, which doesn't block the energy.  I guess you would have to test it to see.  Some earth patents I read even use sprinkler systems hooked to it as well.

[jeanna]

The second picture is a shot of a base station with four subscribers.
Oh yea. I was thinking about earth batteries and completely forgot about telephone switching stations.

I am having second thoughts about the ceramic insulators.

Many of them still had their original insulators.

I have racked my brains trying to think whether they had holes that went through them or not.

I'll do a bit of checking but I have a feeling this is right.

Hans von Lieven

Con-tseung-tious say: Only diligent contemplation and investigation will Lead Out truth in scientific investigation. 

Flying Saucer here we come!!!
Yeah , I'm ready! -- HA!

I am remembering the blu-ish thick glass insulators the electric company (I think electric) used. When they were no longer used, people collected them. You can still find them in yard sales in places like Maine, USA. They are very thick, maybe thicker than the old coke bottles. They are hemispheric on the top and are only slightly bell shaped with a couple of ridges on the sides of the bell. I suppose they prevented coronal discharge sitting on the top of tel/electric poles. There is something about them that reminds me of the ones S used.

He used the hemisphere or was it a hyperbola? to radiate the Infra red heat in his house. (according to that coronor's report.) Same shape.

The thing that is going on in my mind is a thought generated by that frequency driven motor that (was it) Dayton C Miller?  had in his collection. If you can generate a sound and direct it to the focal point of a hyperbola I think it would then be redirected straight out from all points of the curve. I am not sure what I think it would do then but it may be what S was doing. Maybe he was redirecting the frequency back to theground then ultimately to the  coils.  I am quite ignorant about these telephone and telegraph things. Probably there is a simple and standard use that anyone skilled in the art would immediately see.

I am just free associating. It is how I get good ideas.

So, what I am seeing together is the shape, maybe hemisphere, maybe hyperbolic - probably not parabolic but maybe, and frequencies. In his house the frequency was IR and in the tel system it was sound which is the same thing as IR and colors only much slower.

OK done for now
jeanna

[Bruce_TPU]

@ Freezer

A fine job!  Thanks for the info and pictures.

Would you test a "miniature" cell, and see if it reads the same?  If it does, we can shrink the whole thing, if perhaps surface area does not matter??

@ All
Well, I have a small bit of good news to report!  I am finally getting ma's!!  It turns out that I have been all along and did not know it.  The fuse for the ma's in my NEW voltmeter was burned out.     I have been spending all morning redoing my previous experiments, plus some. 

My Carbon tube rod, 1/2" od is in the ground about three feet.  Polar south of it, in the ground about 9 inches is my galvanized spike (nail)  1.04 volts @ .133 ma's.

My old experiment of "couples", similar to Freezer, but using spike and copper tubing, yielded .770 mv @ .156 ma's.

I am about to go and re test my coil I built.  I will let you know what it reads.

So, based on what we think we know, Freezer's set up, using carbon and magnesium plates might be the way to go, if we can't get some type of coil working.


Magnesium and carbon seem to be the ticket for amperage.

Cheers,



Bruce

[hansvonlieven]

@ Freezer,

Lovely job. Allow me to make a suggestion for improvement. Instead of arranging the plates as in Fig A in the attached graphic I suggest you try the layout in Fig B. The gap between the centre plates serves no electrical purpose as the two plates are electrically connected. It will work to your detriment as any galvanic action between those plates will not only corrode your plates but go "against the stream" as it were.

By putting the plates hard against each other and perhaps even sealing the edge so no moisture can get between the plates you should get superior performance.

Hans von Lieven