Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[RAM]

Hi everybody,

I just had to participate after reading (only a part) of this thread because this is a fascinating issue. I actually started yesterday by reading some NS stuff, and then I found Bill’s Youtube video (that really got my full attention on this subject). Good work!

I am an electronic engineer, so there are some things I can help with, like the measurements part:
An AC measurement is actually a tricky thing due to the equipment. There are various “false” measures you can make. A “true” AC measure would use a “true RMS” multimeter, and they are a bit expensive. Normal multimeters just correct the AC tension and apply a filter to get a DC part, this is later multiplied by a factor (the so called “form factor”) that is valid only for a sinewave. So, if you measure a square wave you will have a wrong value for AC tension, a different frequency also wields “wrong” results.

It would actually be a good thing to see the measured wave by use of an oscilloscope. And as the earth battery is very weak, there must be some degree of isolation; a lower impedance would interfere with the measure.

And this morning I had this notion that we are dealing with earth’s magnetic field. It changes with time and is not geographically uniform. (Check this page: http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/earthmag.html).
It would be interesting to link the current of our worldwide observations with this map http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/images/fig2.pdf.

I say this because a vertical component of the magnetic field would result in eddy currents at the earth’s surface (a good conductor). Such currents would be as inherently chaotic as the magnetic field itself.
More on eddy currents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current
A simulated picture of the magnetic chaos: http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~glatz/field.html
A simple measuring tool (check 3d compass video): http://www.wfu.edu/physics/demolabs/demos/avimov/byalpha/mnvideos.html


However, if you disturb the magnetic field you may rearrange it locally; how much energy would you use or what level perturbation you would cause, I simply don’t know. But for sure is not a question of raw power, but more of a feedback oscillation in some resonant frequency (and the use of coils conforms to this idea).

In a first glance I think it could yield huge results, and the NS story seams to confirm it.
I am going to do some experimenting with the plain battery poles, and then go for plates. I am thinking of measuring to understand the phenomenon before going to the coils.

The problem with replicating what others have done is that we sometimes miss the path they used to get there. For sure NS didn’t just put the coils in the ground without having some idea of what he was trying to achieve.

Ram

[RAM]

Hello again,

  I hope this group’s interest is not down at this time I have some new info.

I started testing with electrodes, however things got better when I used 2 identical electrodes (Cu). There is a charge that keeps building up (I gave up measuring at 20 mV). I know this is not much, and initially I suspected the multimeter was charging the cell, but that was until I changed polarity and it kept charging with a negative sign.
I am using the same type of electrodes because we are not interested in a galvanic action, but in that mysterious X factor from the earth.
I used to teach chemistry in high-school, and the principles of batteries are something I know well. With 2 identical electrodes in the same electrolyte, you do not have a battery cell anymore: you have an accumulator, if anything. This means you must charge it before use. Would our elusive earth power be charging this accumulator?
It is not the case yet, because we do not have a uniform electrolyte. A simple test with a water jar does the same thing, and shows that the electrodes always get the same polarity (apparently one of them has a slight different in composition that causes this). However, in earth, this is not the case. Sometimes one electrode is positive, others is negative. It depends on the chemistry of the spots you use.
So far I tested with a flower box and a large flowerbed made over cement. This was on purpose; I will test with “real” earth tomorrow.

I also wanted to mention something about the NS telephone pictures. I was always bothered by the number of rods he inserted on the ground. Why 3? Either for power or induction of the signal, you would only need 2. Then it hit me: if the signals travel in parallel or perpendicular to the alignment of two rods, then you would have a blind area to each side. To avoid this you would need, at least, one more rod. In a triangular configuration there are no blind spots and 120 degrees of coverage for each 2 rod’s transmitter/receiver. Its time to check the pictures…

[Michelinho]

Hi Ram,

If you want to test electrodes in soil, I suggest you test the South-North orientation then the East-West orientation, then redo the same test with one electrode deeper than the other and the other way around.

You should come up with many answer to this way of producing electricity. The rest is mainly different type of metal used and size of electrodes.

Take care,

Michel

[RAM]

Hi Michel,

  Thanks for the suggestion; it was in line with my idea. If a difference exists between electrodes only due to orientation, then we have something that is attributed to the earth itself, and not just soil composition.
  However, this is just a preliminary test. What I will be locking into is that transient component that was talked about, and how to influence it.

The bimetal device may be useful or not. Maybe is just a way of generating the low power required for the device; maybe is the essential of the device… Who knows? To answer the question we must capture the mysterious transient with both systems and see if there is a difference.

BTW, regarding AC measures: there is a simple trick to know if you have AC or not, that is to reverse the polarity of the amp meter. In a 2 metal electrodes earth battery we find that, in reserse polarity, it wields zero. That is because, as I said, the equipment rectifies the signal using diodes, applies it to a filter (capacitor) and them multiplies by the form factor. If the signal has a DC component greater than AC, then it will never read AC values in reverse polarity. In general, when you have AC+DC, you cannot measure the AC at all, except if you remove the DC part using a decoupling circuit. And even after that you have the problem of not reading low values (where is the mVac selection in your equipment?) because the measuring circuit must overcome the diode voltage drop before he can read anything.

[Pirate88179]

Ram:

Your post was interesting to me on several levels.  First, way, way, way, way back I did a test or two with two copper pipes and got both volts and mA's which is when I concluded this was not galvanic as some claimed back then.  I believe Joe did a similar test series as well.  I also found that, per Joe's suggestion, if you plant one electrode in the ground, then hold the other one some distance away, say three feet, and hook up your meter to the pipes you can "scan" around the compass circle to get the highest readings, then plant the other electrode.  According to the literature we have read, the north should be deeper and the angle between the bottom of the two electrodes should equal the magnetic declination angle for your area.  Again, I did the above tests and found that, yes, north/south gave the highest readings and then I began tapping the other electrode into the ground while measuring the output and, low and behold, when I got to a certain depth the readings began to drop off.  They had been climbing.  I crudely measured this angle from the bottom of each electrode over the separation distance and I believe it was about 30 degrees, which is about right for my area according to the chart someone published on here a long time ago.

But, do your own testing for the best position.  Your location, soil composition etc., all might like something else.


Now, about the meters and testing for ac.  Both Joe and I got ac "readings" right off the bat.  We all had a lot of discussion of if this were really ac.  Hans suggested using an analog meter, which I did, and it confirmed exactly all of my other digital readings in both ac and dc.  Whenever polarity was reversed, in either ac or dc testing, the only change was a minus sign was added to the readout in digital, and in analog, the meter tried to go the wrong way.  I did not notice any difference in testing either ac or dc with respect to reversing the polarity.  This was all the same for my copper and copper pipes, my carbon rod and magnesium electrodes as well. 

Another argument against it just being galvanic, not that we need any more as you said, I believe (I can go back and look it up) the limit for galvanic is supposed to be 1.5 volts, like in a battery cell and yet I consistently got over 2 vdc out of the carbonrod/magnesium block arrangement.  I think it went as high as 2.3 or 2.4 vdc.  I will check.

I look forward to hearing about your experiments.  The electrodes are fun because you plant them, and energy just keeps coming off them.  It is so simple it is beautiful to me.  I really need to make an updated youtube video before winter sets in.  I probably need a better camera to do that though.  Best of luck with your experiments.

Bill