Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[Pirate88179]

John:

Thank you for remaining here with us.  My question about the Stubblefield system is that I always wondered if he used a spark gap?  Those dome shaped objects on the top of his rods that Jeanna, and me, and a lot of others always wondered about might have been a way to achieve a small spark gap?

I am trying to think of the devices and techniques he would have had access to at that time.  I don't know if you have seen any of Tariel Kapandaze's work but he was getting kilowatts using his earth battery and a spark gap to make the pulses.  He was able to light many incandescent bulbs from his system.

You mentioned something we have long suspected in that the Joule Thief circuits we have been studying are related to this in some way.

I also totally agree with you about the caps.  I saw a while back that, even though my earth battery (or earth energy receiver) was putting out only about 2 volts but yet could charge a 2.7 650 Farad B-cap to its maximum.  Once I put the EB on my scope I could see why.  There were all sorts of crazy spikes everywhere and the B-cap was storing them as usable energy, which I have been able to use.

We are really thankful that you are here posting and sharing your knowledge and ideas with us.  This might lead to something big.

Bill

[jeanna]

Jeanna,
I think I will lay this out for you all. Here is what must happen in building an Earth Oscillator. The first stage is almost built like your SG or Joule Thief oscillator as you know what is lighting your led is the Radiant spike.

You do not need very much current for the first stage. Off the collector of this oscillator is a diode a one way gate so it can't flow backwards. The diode moves the charge to a capacitor say 5000uf this then supplies the second oscillator that does the same thing except the second oscillator is adjusted for a little more recovery through the second diode to another capacitor this time 15000 uf and this is how it is done, just like a Moray receiver. It just can't go backwards once the energy is flowing it can't return to the input. This moves forward just like water from bucket to bucket. in the end you will have a big potential to play with. I do not know how to explain this better then this, I'm really trying to keep this simple.
John B

OK thanks.
This makes a lot of sense and is simple.
I have never been able to get a diode to do anything but stop the charge in my earth batteries.
I often have the same problem with non earth batteries, but I do follow your explanation.
It reminds me of the way the fuji circuit gets the extra high boost in the big cap to flash the xenon.
I see also, why we have never been able to make any of this happen.
5000uF and 15000uf is a couple of big capacitors.
I would have hoped it could have been done in miniature. darn..

Is there a diode you would use for this, or is any 1N4001 or 1N4007 ok to use?

thank you for your help, even if it is discouraging to me.

jeanna

edit.
I need to learn this, because I believe it is the same method needed to make warmth from my jt cold electricity.
I am game, but I do admit I do not know what I am doing.

[electricme]

@ Jeanna,

I think John is saying the radant energy is flowing, the diode channels it into the capacitor, forcing a one way flow, if he diode wasnt there it may flow backwards cancelling itself.
Then using a switch to transfer this same charge into a larger capacitor, the origin of the radant energy is pushing from behind, and a suction effect from the capacitors in front draws it into the capacitors.

Using a series (group) of capacitors we should get enough radant energy to power something with.



@ John,

Just how high can radant voltage go to? is there a limit? can it be as a thin streem or like a broad river?

Also, should we some time be thinking of using HV diodes as is used in microwave ovens? or use just sharp cutof diodes?

jim

[electricme]

@John

I think I have dreamed up a circuit that could receive the energy and pipe it into a number of caps, then the whole lot is dumped into a single larger cap, I drew this up about a couple of years ago and put it on the Joule Thief Thread.

Bill has collected a large circuit collection, on the JT in a separate section, you are welcome to take a look see at the below description and see if it would be suitable in radant energy.


I used a 4017 IC as the main series switcher, just instead of driving LEDs 1-10, I instead used the Hi + to drive the base of a BC548 to switch in turn each Cap.
The IC mark/space ratio can be configured with T-pots to allow for the difference between caps and energy delivery amounts.

There are 8 caps
When the 1st cap reaches full, the IC switches to cap2, and then proceeds to the next one, when the last cap is done, pin 9 goes high, switching a second set of transistors in parallel and dumps the lot into the final larger cap.
when pin 10 goes hi, which it is connected to the reset pin on the IC so this cycle rotates.

Everything depends on the amount of energy available though, the faster the flow, the better the circuit will perform.

Unfortunately I am not at my regular PC so I haven't got access to my circuit, but you and any one else are welcome to use it if they wish to do so.

jim
   

[john_bedini]

Bill,
You know that sometimes in semiconductors we get what is called popcorn noise. This noise is just like this a series of little spikes that do some funny things to circuits. I would tend to look at earth batteries as semiconductor materials instead of galvanic action. I have made semiconductors from copper and steel so looking at stubbelfeilds battery is nothing more then a rectifier diode for earth currents. some of the materials could be inductive capacitive and resistive at the same time,
Although my experiments were about transmission I still saw batteries were possible if you could oscillate it out of the earth, just like a beat frequency. Sometimes when the weather permits here I have seen along side small streams flowing from the mountains a light that seems to be in the center flowing upwards, what type of energy is this? I have shown people this in the camp grounds and they have no answer as to why.
My Idea is to build a Earth Oscillator using the earth as the coil in the system. The devices must be Germanium transistors as they work at a much lower trigger voltage. I think it would take four electrodes to do this.
I think we are looking at this all wrong for some reason. I must think about this now and change my view on this.
John B

John:

Thank you for remaining here with us.  My question about the Stubblefield system is that I always wondered if he used a spark gap?  Those dome shaped objects on the top of his rods that Jeanna, and me, and a lot of others always wondered about might have been a way to achieve a small spark gap?

I am trying to think of the devices and techniques he would have had A to at that time.  I don't know if you have seen any of Tariel Kapandaze's work but he was getting kilowatts using his earth battery and a spark gap to make the pulses.  He was able to light many incandescent bulbs from his system.

You mentioned something we have long suspected in that the Joule Thief circuits we have been studying are related to this in some way.

I also totally agree with you about the A.  I saw a while back that, even though my earth battery (or earth energy receiver) was putting out only about 2 volts but yet could charge a 2.7 650 Farad B-cap to its maximum.  Once I put the EB on my scope I could see why.  There were all sorts of crazy spikes everywhere and the B-cap was storing them as usable energy, which I have been able to use.

We are really thankful that you are here posting and sharing your knowledge and ideas with us.  This might lead to something big.

Bill