Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Bill and all,

This is a lovely story about the kid with the americium, though it is unlikely to be true as stated. (but then it would be, they would not like anyone to replicate what the kid really did)

There are only 0.2 microgram of americium in a typical smoke detector. In this small quantity it is only an alpha emitter. In order to get the required gamma rays for the kind of reaction the kid was creating you would need something in the order of 3 to 4 grams of the stuff. In that quantity it is seriously hot and requires careful handling. Incidentally, critical mass is about 60 kilograms. You can imagine how many smoke detectors you would have to cannibalise in order to get a gamma emitter, a mere 100 would get you nowhere.

But back to the device under discussion.

I am not convinced that you need a large radioactive source in order to get the postulated effect. We are NOT talking about a nuclear reaction as far as I can tell from my studies so far. If Barbat is to be believed you don't need radioactive material at all, photons will do.

According to Barbat if you took the device, coated the secondary coil with cuprous oxide and replaced the U 238 vial with a light-globe it would still work.

But as I said before it is still early days and a bit more studying is required before we can start experimenting.

The radioactive material however would be better since it does not need a power source and will last for about four hundred years or so. (Americium 241, the stuff commonly used in smoke detectors, has a a half-life of 432.7 years.)

Hans von Lieven

[georgemay]

Greetings,
Has anyone tried to experiment with coils buried in the ground yet?  I am waiting for wire I ordered and want to try it before I start looking for radioactive materials.
George

[akashh]

@Branko: great website!  very nice collection of thoughts and diagrams.  Do you have any experience with coils?  Maybe u could suggest some design for our earth batteries.

@all: two ideas
1) From wikipedia: Granite is a normal, geological, source of radiation in the natural environment. Granite contains around 10 to 20 parts per million of uranium. By contrast, more mafic rocks such as tonalite, gabbro or diorite have 1 to 5 ppm uranium, and limestones and sedimentary rocks usually have equally low amounts. 
What about trying to stick a lump of granite at the core of our coil?

2) If anyone else is following the thread on coils & self-runnung LEDs? http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3599.0.html
I have got an LED to blink for 5 minutes on the first try.  A tiny charge source such as an earth battery would easily be able to keep this guy chraged provided we can getthe correct voltage using some step-up system...

Akash

[Pirate88179]

@ George:

I have not, as of yet.  But, I am getting closer.  Has anyone else?

@akashh:

This is very interesting information.  I would like to see what Hans has to say about this.  I have been following the Dr. Stiffler replication.  Is that the link you posted?  Some very strange and wonderful things happening there that yes, could prove useful to our experiments. (Sorry, I can't check the link right now, but I will after this post.)

@ Hans:

Yes, I agree totally.  I was not sure what the actual materials and numbers were in the book but, you are correct.  If he found a way to make plutonium or at least, a very hot material of somekind, they would NOT want us, the public to know about it. (or at least how he did it) Oh and critcal mass of americium is 60 kilograms?  So, that means that 61 kg would be bad, right? (Boom!)

I like the photon approach better.  Can't we use the sun in some way to get the photons?  Or, can we get enough power out to power a "photon generator" that will continue the cycle?  This is great, thanks Hans.

Bill

[Pirate88179]

@ akashh:

No, I see the link is to the tpu experiments.  I have not viewed all of the posts yet but will do so now.  Thanks for posting it.

Bill