Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[Bruce_TPU]

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Now, about my "series" connections.  You are correct of course but I don't see a way to connect it any other way.  what I mean is if I  go from carbon (+) to zinc (-) I have a dead short.  that is what I tried a while back.  I go from carbon on one cell to the zinc on the other and it does not know it is two cells and it is like hooking up a wire from the + on your car battery to the -, not good.  Maybe I am missing something basic and simple here (probably) but that is why I tried to just tie all the plus and all the minus electrodes together which is, of course (now that you pointed it out) a parallel connection.  Any thoughts on how to connect the + of one cell to the - of the other without a short?  Thank you.

Bill

@ Bill

If you take a hypothetical, of two batteries and connect a lead from the positive of one and the negative of the other, and measure output there, or tie them together, it will alway look like a short, until you measure the output from the negative of the one the the positive of the other. 

It may indeed not work as I posted earlier, but it must be tried.  Just  connect carbon to zinc and then measure the output  of the other carbon and zinc and see if you have garnered more voltage.  You also should attempt an amperage reading while you had them wired in parallel and see if it was increased.

Christmas Cheers,
Bruce

[jeanna]

Yikes! three pages in one day as I looked away!  where to begin?
First Thank you Hans for a superb article.

I took my wired copper pipes and wired zinc nail outside in the snow flurries today. In a very brief amount of time I checked a few things and then I had to leave for the day, which is why this post comes afterr all those very useful ideas discussed today.

Results report follows:
I have 2 copper pipes and 1 zinc coated spike to which I soldered one copper wire each.
I arranged these elements together to see if I could see any voltage above the zero that I got 6 weeks ago (and again more recently) when I tried to put them together in 'series ' style.

So, the first was another  control that I get about o.9v with the cu - zn cell.

Then I put 2 cu pipes with their wires next to the cu pipe that is still in the ground (that's 3 cu pipes connected) and then put the zinc with its soldered wire up against the last cu pipe and I got 0.45v. WHAT? Is that what one leg of a parallel circuit shows? I really want to repeat this with photos. It started to rain so I stopped. I sure hope the sky lets up a bit tomorrow. I am not satisfied that I have done justice to this since I ran it only once before it rained.

I will also repeat something else, ?I think ? I had cu - zn - cu and got a lot of fluctuations from 0.45v to zero and back up to 0.25v -- very active.

Last night and today, I was thinking that if I could set up a cap for each cell and then have the caps somehow join their charges into a single cell, or an array of some kind,  it might get us somewhere. (And I come to find out you have been talking about this all day)  I find this whole group is thinking together.  And THAT is how we will succeed!!!

I also think we should do some coils along with this. Hans has given us a lot to work with and if there is a tesla coil person (was that you Arctic_Knight ) it would be great. It won't be straight up I suspect, but some tesla coil experience in here might help.

I don't know that I ever used a rectifier but it should be easy enough to find out how. It may indeed give some extra voltage.

I also re-read Tom Bearden's treatice about how to get charge from the source and then use the charge without depleting the source. It is so simple and brilliant. In it he makes the point that the amperage doesn't "happen" until there is a way for it to move in a direction. We need only look for voltage in our meters and the amperage will be something we can get from it by running a circuit properly from it.

looking forward to more,

jeanna

[duff]

@Duff:

Thanks for the info.  I look forward to getting the other information as well.

Bill,

I could not find the exact document I was thinking of but here something you might find interesting.

Patent 3,361,957
Telluric current response device having spaced conductors for positioning adjacent the earth's surface.


-Duff

[Pirate88179]

Wow! So many great posts here on Christmans day.  What a dedicated group of experimenters and researchers we have here.

@ Bruce:

I'm glad you joined us.  I have been following your work on the micro tpu topic with much interest.  Very nice work over there. I will follow your suggestion and see what happens.  It is an easy experiment to do.  I will also check the amps reading in para. also.  I just thought that if I connect + to the - it would short the cell and I would get nothing.  I beleive I attempted this a while back but, now that I have 2 exactly the same cells to work with (same materials and same surface area on same allignment) it might turn out differently.  What I was picturing in my mind was like taking two car batteries and  running a lead from + to _ on each and then measuring volts but, if I did that the wire would melt.  In my scenerio I guess one would go from + on one bat. to - on the other and visa versa. That works as this is how they run golf carts on multiple batteries in series, right?  But, no way to know without trying and I will do so.  Your tpu knowledge will come in handy for us here before it's over I'm sure.

@sid10:

Nice photo of the meter.  That is the setting I used (mA) when I measured my amps and I believe my figure of 2.5 (or thereabouts) was in milliamps. I don't recall the figure you had, I think it was like .9 amps?  This, on this scale would be .9 milliamps.  You electrical guys can correct me if I am wrong about this.  Otherwise this would mean I am getting 2.5 amps which I do not believe to be true.  Your point about leds being photovoltaic is correct. I tested a few of my red and blue ones and got several millivolts by just using a maglight flashlight shinning on it.  Amazing little things these leds.  you may be right about the green maybe a better yeild.  I don't have any of those and could not try it.

@ Jeanna:

Wow, you are doing a lot of work out there!!!  According to the galvanic chart I have here, which was posted way, way back, you will probably get .9 vdc from these materials.  I am not saying that this is galvanic, or just galvanic at all.  I am doing a bit better than what the chart shows but it is a good base reference.  So maybe you will get about 1.1 or so.  But, if you are able to hook into series, then, who knows?  The fluctuations you mentioned interest me.  This might be exactly what Hans is speaking of when telling us to measure using the rectifier bridge. (Gee, a year ago, if you told me I would be typing the words rectifier bridge, I would have thought you were crazy as I didn't even know what one was)  Could it be that my led circuit with the cap is almost acting like a rectifier of some sort?  You know, a diode and a cap.?  I only have one cap. but am getting more in the near future. (hopefully)  I also think that checking for ac using Hans's idea of the audio amp. is a good one to really see if any volts are on the secondary.  If so, ac present.  I wish I had more money for these experiments.

I hope everyone continues to come up with these great ideas.  The more experimenters we have, the better we can do.  I am seeing some confusing things out in my little garden, but it is trying to tell me something.  Once I understand what is really going on, there is no telling what might happen.  More experimentation to come.

Bill

[Bruce_TPU]

@ All

I am sure that you all have seen this already, but I decided to highlight the parts I feel are most relevant for experimenters.  No sense in reinventing the wheel.

From Wiki:
"To obtain the natural electricity, experimenters would thrust two metal plates into the ground at a certain distance from each other in the direction of a magnetic meridian, or astronomical meridian. The stronger currents flow from south to north. This phenomenon possesses a considerable uniformity of current strength and voltage. As the Earth currents flow from south to north, electrodes are positioned, beginning in the south and ending in the north, to increase the voltage at as large a distance as possible. In many early implementations, the cost was prohibitive because of an over-reliance on extreme spacing between electrodes.

It has been found that all the common metals behave relatively similarly. The two spaced electrodes, having a load in an external circuit connected between them, are disposed in an electrical medium, and energy is imparted to the medium in such manner that "free electrons" in the medium are excited. The free electrons then flow into one electrode to a greater degree than in the other electrode, thereby causing electric current to flow in the external circuit through the load. The current flows from that plate whose position in the electropotential series is near the negative end (such as palladium). The current produced is highest when the two metals are most widely separated from each other in the electropotential series, and when the material nearer the positive end is to the north, while that at the negative end is towards the south. The plates, one copper and another iron or carbon, are connected above ground by means of a wire with as little resistance as possible. In such an arrangement, the electrodes are not appreciably chemically corroded, even when they are in earth saturated with water, and are connected together by a wire for a long time.

It had been found that to strengthen the current, it was most advantageous to drive the northerly electropositive electrode deeper into the medium than the southerly electrode. The greatest currents and voltages were obtained when the difference in depth was such that a line joining the two electrodes was in the direction of the magnetic dip, or magnetic inclination. When the previous methods were combined, the current was tapped and utilized in any well-known manner.

In some cases, a pair of plates with differing electrical properties, and with suitable protective coatings, were buried below the ground. A protective or other coating covered each entire plate. A copper plate could be coated with powered coke, a processed carbonaceous material. To a zinc plate, a layer of felt could be applied. To use the natural electricity, earth batteries fed electromagnets, the load, that were part of a motor mechanism."

I learned a bunch from those few paragraphs and think to implement this as soon as I return home.  Goal:  Forever running micro tpu.

Bruce