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Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

Started by Localjoe, October 19, 2007, 02:42:39 PM

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jeanna

OK to save on words here is a picture
I charge my circuit by putting the battery leads between points D & E on the upper right. Both lights shine brightly. I hold that and count 60 seconds. Then let go. With the circuit still joined in a loop (ring), It glows brightly for longer than the green circuit has ever kept going, about 10 minutes. Then the green light looks dim but the red one still looks good. I think there are 2 reasons for this.
1- The green light's caps have a much smaller capacity and
2- there is only one cap in parallel to the green light. I believe this makes the green light run the power out faster.
I checked the various attachment places this morning and was surprised.
The voltage is the same exact measurement 1.5V between the legs of the green set and the legs of the red set. This makes sense.
Also between B - D or E - C there is 1.5V
BUT there is no voltage between B - E , A - F, A - E, F - B.
In a way I can see that all charge has stopped moving because there is no unbalance anywhere.

So Bill,
This is the reason I wanted to check your circuit closed in a loop. Close the open points and check all connections for voltage while the light still glows then I assume but please check to see that there is still voltage between some of the points after the light goes out.
I hope this picture helps. It is very hard to describe.

here goes picture
jeanna

Pirate88179

@ Jeanna:

The figure I gave you in my earlier response to your question was with the led illuminated and the circuit "closed".  Now, to get a reading after the led goes out, by that do you mean to let it burn for an hour or so off of the cap, and then check?  Or, do you mean to break my circuit by removing the + lead from the annode of the led and then check?  I am sorry to appear so stupid but I want to be clear on what you would like to know.

@ Artic Knight:

I understand what you are saying.  The only thing I might not agree with is the ac (house) current at 60 Hz.  I , like a lot of people, can actually see some 60 cycle effects.  For example, when I got my new computer monitor, it's default refresh rate was 60Hz.  I used it for less than 10 minutes and got a bad headache.  I then adjusted the refresh rate to 85 Hz and now, no problem.  I can't see it in incandescent bulbs but I can see it in flourecent light fixtures. I don't mean the flicker from a bad ballast, I am talking about the on/off of the 60 hz ac.  Now, you say not on/off but rather reverse of current flow, which I know is true but, I believe it also has the effect of essentialy turning on and off as well. I don't know this to be a fact, I am only bringing it up for discussion.  What do you think?  Interesting that you said it does not matter the frequency as long as off as much as on.  This makes perfect sense to me.  If you were in the woods at night with a flashlight, and so was I, and you pulsed your light on and off at whatever cycles, it would last longer than mine would being on all the time.  Like you said, the trick is to find the proper "rate" that gives the "same" light output with extended life. and now enter the joule thief.  I have no idea what might happen with one of these on the cells outside, but, I want to find out.  Thanks.

Bill

See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

jeanna

Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 03, 2008, 11:23:29 PM
@ Jeanna:
The figure I gave you in my earlier response to your question was with the led illuminated and the circuit "closed".  Now, to get a reading after the led goes out, by that do you mean to let it burn for an hour or so off of the cap, and then check?  Or, do you mean to break my circuit by removing the + lead from the annode of the led and then check?  I am sorry to appear so stupid but I want to be clear on what you would like to know.
Bill
I mean for you to check all the points including with the circuit broken open. I think you have it clipped? I am not asking you to unsolder it, I think.
A - B closed and open
C - D but be sure to get INSIDE the leads so you capture what is going on between the light and cap. and do this with the loop closed and open.

See, what I am thinking is that when you have closed the loop the charge that leaves the light can continue around the loop and recharge the cap. While the cap is recharging the light is still lighting (sooo cooool) then when the cap gets full it begins to discharge and it lights the light and then the charge goes around the loop one more time to refill the cap (while it is lighting the light).

The green one that I have that is made like yours discharges in about 20 seconds. It is really too fast to fumble with meter leads in time to make a reading. This is why I am asking you to do it.

thanks a lot,
jeanna

Pirate88179

@ Jeanna:

OK, I got you.  I never really thought about this but I think you are right.  If the cap. has x power and the led only uses x-whatever, then the rest of the juice continues round back into the cap.  A brilliant circuit.  Too bad I have to admit I just stumbled into it. (sigh) And, you have said that leds will use some power and when the power decreases they will use that.  I have read that elsewhere as well.  This is really fun you know it?  I will do the tests you requested and get back to you.

A side note:  I had this cigarette lighter (cheap, made in China) that had flashing leds on the outside of it.  I just wanted a lighter but, it was chaep and it worked, for a while anyway.  Well, it tore up and I took it apart. (salvage)  I found 2 leds of different colors mounted on a printed circuitboard.  They are very small but will flash alternately from the cap.  And, my regular led will also light while this happens.  I have not yet tried this attached to the cells outside. (18 degrees F here right now)  If I can get them all lighting and flashing outside, I will make a short video and post it on youtube.  Keep up your thinking and experimenting.  I will let you know about the tests on my circuit.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

jeanna

Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 04, 2008, 12:18:35 AM
@ Jeanna:

OK, I got you.  I never really thought about this but I think you are right.  If the cap. has x power and the led only uses x-whatever, then the rest of the juice continues round back into the cap.  A brilliant circuit.  Too bad I have to admit I just stumbled into it. (sigh)

But see that is the part about the forum think tank. I have been LOOKING for this for years and when I had begun to get close in that class I got distracted and never even tried it. Maybe the teacher told me to forget it it wouldn't work. I had not considered it was possible anymore. And the all of a sudden thanks to you there it was!!
And, you have said that leds will use some power and when the power decreases they will use that.  I have read that elsewhere as well.  This is really fun you know it?  I will do the tests you requested and get back to you.

  Keep up your thinking and experimenting.  I will let you know about the tests on my circuit.

Bill

Thanks
Yea this is really fun. I look forward to the measurements AND the video.

I just put together my joule thief. I hope the rain lets up enough tomorrow so I can use it for a light between carbon granules and Mg block. It is set up with a white. I will make it with a red which I just found.

jeanna