Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[hansvonlieven]

I am flabbergasted,

Why this sudden outpouring of venom from RStiffler? What brought that on? I cannot recall anyone here on this thread ever having said a bad word about him or to him. In fact, if I remember correctly, he was warmly welcomed into this forum. There was nothing conditional about it.

This is all a bit strange to me.

Hans von Lieven

[jeanna]

A teacher can not force one learn, a teacher can not love one to learn and worst of all a teacher can not impart knowledge by reward. Knowledge is not a commodity, it is rather a unique thing to every individual, no matter what one invests, the only thing that counts is inner desire and dedication.

Here is what I said Jan 10:

RStiffler,
Would you like to join us?
Your 1/2 c makes it sound as though you already have the answer and you are guiding your students to learn it for themselves. While I respect that as a way to teach, I don't think it has a place here.  If you with your good sounding ideas would like to join in the experiments I am sure we would all appreciate your sharing your results and thoughts and 2c for that matter.
jeanna

I apologize if what I said made you feel rebuked. I as always am only doing this to see how things work.
jeanna

[Freezer]

I have done some more testing recently, and it seems that there could be massive amounts flowing over a large area.  The problem is a confined owned space to work within.  What if it were possible to funnel this energy into collectors within a small area, and pull large amounts from the surrounding area?

If I read it correctly this guy uses a method of having least resistance for the energy pass from - to +, less than flowing through earth so more energy is pulled through his configuration (probably using electrodes at a medium to small distance).  If we can exploit that and push it to the point that all surrounding energy want to flow through this configuration, then it can be achieved, I believe..
http://www.google.com/patents?id=xzs_AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=690,151

[DrStiffler]

I am flabbergasted,

Why this sudden outpouring of venom from RStiffler? What brought that on? I cannot recall anyone here on this thread ever having said a bad word about him or to him. In fact, if I remember correctly, he was warmly welcomed into this forum. There was nothing conditional about it.

This is all a bit strange to me.

Hans von Lieven

Boy! Now I have to break my word and make another post. Venom? Gee who was it in the early days of the thread on my work that popped from nowhere 'Questioning my credentials?" Was it Hans?

Hans. don't  say something I did not say, you right to view my post is your right, but - you are so off base here it is silly........ Maybe you need to read it again! I said I was upset by a post when I offered a small amount of help, how did that cause your response? Still hung up, are you?

G'Day all,

@ RStiffler:  In a round about way you have correctly highlighted the dilemma the we in this forum face. The point you make about worms, moles and other bugs not coming to the surface because the earth current are not there, is not strictly correct. Having said that, it does illistrate very nicely what is going on. Take for example a powerline engineer who has to work on transmission lines. These power lines can have over 30Kv and hundreds of amps running through them. Big current.

But when he attatches himself to the line and becomes the same potential he can stay there all day without feeling a thing. In fact a flock of birds may also land on the same line and likewise not be affected.  However should the linesman touch a tree of building that is of a different potential then he is in serious trouble. Then he would feel the current and yes he would move, very quickly indeed.

The worms , moles and bugs are all at the same potential and therefore feel nothing.

Earth currents are there in a big way, it is the potential between these currents, be they magnetic, electrical or whatever, that we are trying to tap. Natural potentials occur in the earth because of the earths magnetic field, differing rock stratas and densities, moisture content and also differing mineral deposits.

These potentials , produced by earth currents, can be detected. A cat, for example, is very sensitive to these and will only sleep in certain spots. The types of vegetation will change from one potential to another. Evidence of the effect of earth currents can be seen all over the world.

The purpose of an earth battery in to artificialy greate a usable potential from the currents it is emersed in. The you wouldn't expect to find many worms hanging around it.

Thanks for using the worm analogy.

Kind regards  Ian

ps How do you weight a bucket of water under water?

What you say is correct for specific conditions. To help you understand, what is gradient? If you think you can not get worms or moles out of the ground by placing a couple of rods connected to 120VAC, then you better get the rods out. Its a fact any fisherman knows that needs the next days bait supply. No use arguing this, 'Gradient' it applies to your HV Lineman and a worn in the ground. Just try it, but hey you need worms or moles or spread your arms out wide and grab and hang from that HV transmission wire.

[jeanna]

I took a good look at that joule thief schematic, today. I realized that I didn't connect the right dots when I was testing it.

In that (JT) circuit, the ground (-) is the twisted pair of one of each wire from the two. The other 2 wires represent a compartement so to speak of neg and pos but they are both on the + side of the ground and the operating circuit happens between those with the diode and the resistor and transistor doing its thing.

So, I hooked these up to the Cu and Mg then to the C and Zn. I got voltage. It was about what I can get for the pairs  using a straight hook up.
Cu - Zn .9vdc
C_{4 of them} - Zn 1.0 vdc
My fingers were too cold to continue.

Would anyone like to comment on what I should expect from this hook up?
I suspect the toroidal shape of the magnet in the joule thief is making the big increase. If so, maybe I sould make a giant joule thief with rebar.

Do you suppose I need a much stronger magnet to get this to amplify? (I am using 2 radioshack ceramic back to back.)

jeanna