Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[hansvonlieven]

@ Joe,

The key here is that This primary coil is a capacitor in the induction coil -

I don't agree with this. If the primary is used as a galvanic element it does not act as a capacitor, it is a battery.

If you use my suggested arrangement that uses a battery to power the dissimilar wires it does. I need to run a lot more experiments to determine the implications of this. I simply don't know at this stage. 

Hans

[Localjoe]

@ Hans
Your design is flawed in your diagram .. as far as i can tell it does not make and break the primary wires - you show the 9 volt hooked to the secondary wire. This makes no sense to me you would want something that will make and break the connection between the primary wires copper and iron.  i dont see how your device would work for the self generating induction coil thats why i keep stressing the variable speed rotary disk with contact points or your setup with the battery biasing the the copper and iron wires respectivly would should work . but not how its drawn .

I have the same reservations about calling it a capicator.. but two coils wound side by side not physically touching as we are doing for the primary acts could be considered two plates of a capicator as far as ive been told.

Anyways this was really here nor there because were not there yet i was more interested in what you had to think of the first few paragraphs in reference to the size and capacity. that is stuff i think we should come to a common ground on. I have verified that with my coil barley moist when i short the two ends of the primary coil together and apart quick enough i can see ac voltage and ac micro amps showing up on my meter. I tested 3 times to make sure.And again  on a very poorly wound secondary which isn't even all the way down the bolt, maybe half way down.. all the wire i had. but i figured right in thinking that i would at least see some disturbance in my meager secondary  coil, meter leads connected directly to it.

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[hansvonlieven]

I have the same reservations about calling it a capicator.. but two coils wound side by side not physically touching as we are doing for the primary acts could be considered two plates of a capicator as far as ive been told.

Yes Joe, this is correct, but if they are electrically connected via an electrolyte they are not anymore a capacitor.

As to the rest, I do not know what to make of the AC stuff, not yet anyway. Clearly Stubblefield expects AC or pulsed DC or his secondary coil does not make sense. As to where this comes from is anyones guess at the moment.

Hans von Lieven

[Localjoe]

@Hans

-Yes Joe, this is correct, but if they are electrically connected via an electrolyte they are not anymore a capacitor.--

But were missing something here think real simple- also i did a seperate exp to prove this   


water has a very high dielectric constant / strength -Yet it is a fluid not a solid like paper for instance.  We know this is a good property or one we want because when we.. Increase conductivity eg Add salt it completely ruins the effect. And breaks down the dielectric strength.  To the best of my understanding in a battery you want a conductive electrolyte.. dont you?  I feel this gives merit to it being considered a capicator that dissimilar metal seperated by a strong dielectric. 

Ahh now for the clincher

I wound a coil like so-  Took a 6 inch bolt insulated in cloth, wound the primary over that of insulated copper (plastic) and the same iron wire ive been using, made two layers so all the way down and all the way back up i made sure to insulate the layers from one another.. this showed me the coolest thing in the world...

When i connected my meter to the leads of the iron and copper i registered a small but negligible dc voltage and no amperage.. i left my meter on it in a dead short set to ma while testing the amperage- heres the cool part for whatever reason the iron wire started flaking bits off and changing color a little darker and looking worn so to say.. in only 5 mins time.. it was a mess to unrap .

The point here is that the iron wire started decomposing in water.

the other coil i have properly wound with fabric insulation on the copper not plastic .. shows no wear.. i repeat no wear and i left it in a container filled with water overnight running my joule theif.

so why does the wire de compose in the first test with insulated copper and not in the second with the proper winding like the patent states.. 

I think the magnetic field preserves the character of the electrodes.....

On that assumption we know the voltage were reading is because of the galvanic action of two dis similar metals, but why are they not de composing in a common electrolyte like a normal galvanic cell would.  I though the process of the breaking down of one metal and moving its whatevers to the other was how this effect works.. but if our metals are not breaking down how would one explain this?

[Pirate88179]

@ Joe and Hans:

This is a bit over my head, but here is my two cents anyway.  I agree that with two conductors and a dielectric in between you have a capacitor.  But, Stubblefield uses two dissimilar metals as conductors which leads to the galvanic end of things.  He wants an insulator in between the two dissimilar metals (conductors) but, it has to be porous as to allow contact with the electrolyte but yet it does not short. (unless you use salt)  What this tells me is that there is a combination of things going on here.  Add the secondary and the magnetic fields appear to do some very strange things.  I am convinced that resonance is a factor here.  We also know that Stubblefield knew Tesla and we have to keep that in mind while examining this coil arrangement.  Stubble also traveled to Philadelphia, home to Keely, and this might have also influenced this designs in some way.

I guess what I am saying here, or trying to, is that it is too early to draw any conclusions as of yet.  Soon, we will all have coils putting out some amount of power.  Maybe then we can reverse engineer a little bit to come up with a theory on why they act as they do.  I am excited and looking forward to comparing the results of all of our attempts.  That I believe will give us some great clues about layers, wire size, number of turns in the secondary, etc.

Still tracking down my one last short.

Bill