Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[jeanna]

I  am pretty sure that the TPU  had an iton  winding .
I remember  seeing a photo of a piece of a TPU  that had been  cut  up  .    ......  It  did  looke like  it had an  Iron winding.

I  think that there is a  "special "effect that happens  when  a magnetic field interact with BOTH  Iron and copper windings

magnetic field   in the secondary  will help ........but if it  picks  up  a natural resonance   ( AC )   from the  copper/iron  part of the  coul ........it should help  feed  that resonance

If I am right about this,      making the  secomndary   a LC cercuit would  make a big difference ......    so far I  have only been able to  register that  AC is there .......not enough to pin down a frequency

gary

Gary,
These are right in line with some of my thoughts. Thank you for joining this thread.

Have you seen NS's patent 887357 ? It is his cell phone invention.

There are 2 very large and he says powerful coils. One is the cell around an area of land and the other is the coil on the vehicle that has the mobile phone installed.(pretty amazing guy, NS)

Fig.3 is a cross sectional view of these (or at least the cell) coils. He does not describe them except to call them large and powerful. This is all he says about them "This coil... consists of an outer casing, withinwhich is placed a conducting wire comprising a plurality of convolutions, each of which is insulated from the other."

Now, having studied this first coil of his, I think the core piece of wire in the drawing is likely to be iron. He has bundled 20 of these "conducting wires" in fig 3 and I suppose fewer but similar in the coils on the vehicles.

My first thought when I saw the cross section was that "plurality of convolutions" was our good friend this NS primary. the center wire in each wire is drawn darker than the rest.

Then he arranges the whole thing in a very large loop - either around a town -or 'cell'- and also on the roof of a vehicle which makes it a tpu like arrangement. It is also somehow its own secondary. (This is coming from my very spatial brain, I cannot really say why I see it as its own secondary, but I must describe it this way. (Maybe a tpu IS its own secondary.)

So, This cell phone patent may include an advancement of the basic NS battery that we are replicating.

I wonder about the heating in this arrangement.

The Iron winding would heat up much more than the  copper ........I  think it was  the  cause of the reported 19 minute limit

Perhaps making the iron much thicker or thinner than the copper will help with the heat.

I also wonder about an easy way to find the resonance. Is it time to buy that o-scope? Will I be able to dial into the resonance of my various coils? I am willing to spend a little money on the cheapest hand held one IF it will do this for me.

Does anybody out there know?

Cool thoughts for the day. wow.

now to wind another layer or 2.
(After finishing this one, my next coil is on a pipe - to be hollow - just to see what happens.

Thank you,

jeanna

[resonanceman]

Gary,
These are right in line with some of my thoughts. Thank you for joining this thread.

Have you seen NS's patent 887357 ? It is his cell phone invention.

There are 2 very large and he says powerful coils. One is the cell around an area of land and the other is the coil on the vehicle that has the mobile phone installed.(pretty amazing guy, NS)

Fig.3 is a cross sectional view of these (or at least the cell) coils. He does not describe them except to call them large and powerful. This is all he says about them "This coil... consists of an outer casing, withinwhich is placed a conducting wire comprising a plurality of convolutions, each of which is insulated from the other."

Now, having studied this first coil of his, I think the core piece of wire in the drawing is likely to be iron. He has bundled 20 of these "conducting wires" in fig 3 and I suppose fewer but similar in the coils on the vehicles.

My first thought when I saw the cross section was that "plurality of convolutions" was our good friend this NS primary. the center wire in each wire is drawn darker than the rest.

Then he arranges the whole thing in a very large loop - either around a town -or 'cell'- and also on the roof of a vehicle which makes it a tpu like arrangement. It is also somehow its own secondary. (This is coming from my very spatial brain, I cannot really say why I see it as its own secondary, but I must describe it this way. (Maybe a tpu IS its own secondary.)

So, This cell phone patent may include an advancement of the basic NS battery that we are replicating.

I wonder about the heating in this arrangement.

The Iron winding would heat up much more than the  copper ........I  think it was  the  cause of the reported 19 minute limit

Perhaps making the iron much thicker or thinner than the copper will help with the heat.

I also wonder about an easy way to find the resonance. Is it time to buy that o-scope? Will I be able to dial into the resonance of my various coils? I am willing to spend a little money on the cheapest hand held one IF it will do this for me.

Does anybody out there know?

Cool thoughts for the day. wow.

now to wind another layer or 2.
(After finishing this one, my next coil is on a pipe - to be hollow - just to see what happens.

Thank you,

jeanna

Jeanna


I  have not  read that patent yet

I  will have to spend some time looking at it.

I have downloaded it  now ......      Stubblefield   was way ahead of his time ...... mobile  phones  about  150 years  before  the  rest of  us even thought  about  them 


Something I am confused  about  is  how it is  possable to  make the  phones  recieve onlly the right  calls

I remember  a picture  of a  box of   coils ......someone said that they  were all different numbers


The only  way  that  I  can imagine    selecting  a   distant  phone    is by  resonance .
If each seperate line  is  given a frequency ...... there could  be many calls  but  each  phone would only   hear one .
It would also mean that    you  would  have to  have a seperate   coil   for  every  phone    you wanted to call .
............................... unless  Stubblfield  had a way to " dial in"  the right  variations   to a standard coil



I am not  even  going to guess  at  the  wire construction  until  I study the patent a little .





I  don't  have a   good way to   find  the resonant  frequency .

I have heard  something called a dip meter .
I  was  thinking  of   trying to make one .
I haven't  found  anything  about how they actually work   yet .

Ham  radio  people  use dip meters  for quite a few things .... mostly  related to  resonance  and  transmition of RF

The   dip meters available  are  for radio  frequency ......I  don't want to  get into frequencys high enough  to  get  the  FCC knocking on my door.


Time to  study  for a while   


gary

[jeanna]

I need to make something clear.
I do not know how a tpu works.
Nor, do I know how the NS battery works.

I don't want to steer anybody the wrong way by what I said before.


The other thing is that in the cell phone patent, there is a separate 'powerful' battery for each mobile unit like horse drawn carriage or boat. One assumes a house would also have a unit on its roof. also. The cell wnich is the large loop in the town, has one too. This battery is stated to be used for transmission of the signal.

Each of these things has a battery and a larger loop made up of this complicated wire (fig 3) with multiple strands of many convolutions of wire around a central core wire. Each battery is part of a circuit that looks to me a lot like the joule thief circuit with its own loop and battery..

I don't think he recognized the ability of the large loop as anything more than an aerial at the time of this patent. (And, maybe it isn't anything more than that, but I think it is and I think he used it as the basis for many other inventions that he never patented.)


I do not want to steer this thread away from the NS battery. For one thing, it was his first step. It should logically be ours too. I only wanted to mention it because it is ultimately where NS went with it. until he went silent, that is.

jeanna

[resonanceman]

Jeranna

I think  we  have  reached  almost the same conclusions  about  the  mobile  phone system 


One thing that we may be seeing  differently

Then he arranges the whole thing in a very large loop - either around a town -or 'cell'- and also on the roof of a vehicle which makes it a tpu like arrangement. It is also somehow its own secondary. (This is coming from my very spatial brain, I cannot really say why I see it as its own secondary, but I must describe it this way. (Maybe a tpu IS its own secondary.)

What   you are saying here to me would  mean that all the   separate  wire pairs in the  cable are in parallel .
I am pretty  sure that they are in series . ......... figure  2 clearly  shows the same   reciever, transmiter ,  battery combination ........ it also  shows the  coil ........it is clearly a  continous  coil .
This  could be  done   very easily   by  stringing the from one  corner  all the way  around  and back to  the  starting  corner ..........then a  simple continuity  test will  show   you  the both ends of the same  pair .
Find   both ends  of  2 pair  ....and  connect them in  series


The  way  I am  seeing the secondary  is  based mostly on my theory  but  this  seems to support it . 
Stubblefield  never  specified  more than one  conductor .
I agree that the center  is probably  iron ......... and one  copper  wire is  wound  around  it  as if   wrapping  a string  around it  for insulation.
According  to my  theory  ....... the  iron  will pick up a little bit more  of changes in the magnetic field .
This  would make it the  primary .     any  flow  of current   in the iron  will  be  induced  into  the   copper  because   of  the large mumber  of  turns around  the iron .   
The  coil seems to work  exactly in reverse of the   furnace  we  talked about before ....... single  primary .......many turns  secondary .   



DId  you notice that   both    coils  are passive  except when transmitting ?   



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The  phone  part is interesting ...... and  in my opinion  at least  seems to support my theorys   

but I don't  want to focus  on  it .   

For now  I am  focusing  on the  AC  in the  iron/copper  pair
If I can  get enough  AC   then  I can go to step  2  (  a different  theory )   

To  me the  DC  is just  galvanomic .  .......the AC is  different .........  the AC is  uncharted  ground




gary

[Pirate88179]

@ Gary:

If I missed this than I am sorry.  Did you look at the primary with an O scope?  Did that show ac?  I have measured ac all along on my electrodes in the garden and we had some discussion about that.  I have read, in multiple places, that meters will show ac when none is there.  To prove this to myself, I used an analog and digital meter to test....both showed ac.  Then, at my father's suggestion, I checked an AA battery and it too show ac at the same amount/ratio as the earth cells.  I have not checked the coils for ac as I thought we had gathered/assumed that it was not really there.  Someone else a while ago, many many pages back, check with his scope and no real ac.

So, if you have scoped it and it is really there, I will check my new coils also.  As you may have guessed, I have no access to a scope at this time.


@ Jeanna:

Remember that Hans had told you that the NS coil was a tpu?  He said that the only difference was the NS coil was straight and the tpu (obviously) was a toroid shape.  I believe he said something like that...my memory is not so good and there are too many pages for me to want to go hunt for it.  Do you remember something like this?  Can you help me to remember who checked the ac with a scope back in the old days on our topic?  Was it mramos?  I believe he said no ac but again, I could be mistaken.  Thanks.

Bill