Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[Pirate88179]

@ All:

About the ac readings.  Outside on my multiple electrode set-up I would get about 2.2 vdc and 2.8 vac.  If I got (in the beginning) 1.8 vdc I would get about 2.4 vac.  There seemed to be a ratio that was pretty consistent.  I never paid much attention to it as I figured it was just a meter anomaly, especially when I measured a similar ratio on the AA battery between vdc and vac.

This goes beyond my current (no pun intended) knowledge of electronics but possibly we are seeing pulsed dc at whatever our particular coils natural frequency is?  Maybe pulsed dc will show up on a digital or analog meter as an ac reading?  This still does not explain the ac reading on a AA battery though.  Anyone can try this, take a normal AA bat. and check for ac.

@ Jeanna:

Interesting discovery about the readings when some of the wire is still on the floor on the spools. I think Gary is right in that this might come in handy later on down the road.  I just wish I had access to more wire so I could wind a much larger coil.  I will one day.  I have a fantasy of an NS coil the size of a 55 gallon drum!!!  I'll bet that baby would put out some power.  I have some pre-wound secondary coils I have salvaged and I might play with them on my smaller coil today.  I will let you know.

Bill

[jeanna]

........it is   a good idea ..............but it is not my idea

Maybe Jim, anyway it works well.

I  wouldn't  expect much  AC from  a small coil ............but  it would be interesting  if  adding a secondary  created more  AC  in the   original  windings .

gary

It is very hard to repeat a test because a little variance in the amount of moisture in the coil makes a big difference to the voltage/amperage of the coil.
I didn't make note of the voltage when I added the secondary to the coil. Too bad. it would be nice to say it stayed the same. Right now the voltage and the amperage are both down a lot like 1/2 the amount I saw before the secondary went on.

It could be moisture, but it could also be that the secondary is messing with the mag field and slowing things down.

Yaknow even if that is true, even tho it is oppostie what we want, it shows something and for such a little secondary (80 turns because the primary is so fat) it is significant to me.

jeanna

[Localjoe]

Alright folks .....

Can we get back to the earth battery patent and self generating induction coil discussion. Although i enjoy reading speculations id like to stick to the the important things in our current project at hand.

1) Plotting size of coils with just bifilar primary wind and their respective dc outputs

2) Getting a timing mechanism working whether be rotary gap or relay

3) Winding secondary coils and measuring inductance and length

4)  starting the primary  circuit and running it at different speeds while measuring the AC output on the secondary

These steps will get us to where we need to go. stick with it folks and dont try to run before we can even walk! just slow and steady please stay on topic and we'll get there 
                                                                                                                                               Joe

[jeanna]

Alright folks .....
                                                                                                                                               Joe

Hmmm. Joe, that is what I thought I was doing.

I am on coil #10 right now. Did you not see what I said about the secondary? and the comments about measuring while winding?

I have 3 coils in the ground, which I measure every day. one has a secondary on it.

I do not know how to put together this rotary gap thing you are talking about, but many of the things folks have said yesterday and today have given me ideas and have helped.

I would really like to hear about your coils.
I know you have snow, but a couple of coils and a little talk about what you are doing in the bat-house might just help. share some ideas.

Maybe if you start to put together some parts to this gap thing and post your troubles and discoveries etc will be very helpful. - to me anyway.

jeanna

[Localjoe]

@ Jeanna

That was a general satement so ya know    But the order we do those things is critical and without steps 1 and 2 the latter are irrelevant because we cant create the conditions needed for them. 


Maybe im taking this for granted that everyone knows this but --  The larger the primary coils are the more dc output will be available on their terminals for the impulse.  Without a larger ammt of current  in the primary coil there wont be real noticeable results in the secondary coil when we get to running the device at speed. 

My current coil reads .859 v and between 15 and 18 ma   it has two layers and is approx 8 inches long.  There is no reason to be winding secondaries at this point.. i did it before to prove a point and make sure i was leading you all in the right direction  and my concept was right confirmed by the ac readings i took. The were small in the .100 to .200 v ac range and some ac current as well.  This is small .

It was limited by two factors me not having enough output in my primaries to start with, and the speed limitation of my hands touching the wires and separating them rapidly. 

Hope this helps
                        .. remember others are getting upwards of 80 ma which is 5x my output but still not enough for the real deal , 250 ma - 500 ma .5 amps  would be optimal for a good starting point so when i have a little more money from my next job i'll be getiing a bit more wire and doing the same thing did before only ordering the cotton tubing for audio cables this time... should make it 90 percent quicker
                                                                                                                     Joe