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Single Wire Tests

Started by duff, October 31, 2007, 03:42:00 AM

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Jdo300

#190
February 04, 2008, 07:57:57 AM
Hello Everyone,

I just did some experiments over the weekend sending identical signals into opposing wires. But rather than talk about the tests I did, I just compiled a video demo and uploaded it to YouTube. I found a few interesting things from the tests. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqwPMAJsh3I

Let me know what you all think  :)

God Bless,
Jason O

Bruce_TPU

#191
February 04, 2008, 03:54:12 PM
Hi Jason,

A very good video, and a very good start indeed!   ;D

@ Jason AND All
I have a list of, "I wonder if's," to think and experiment with.

I wonder if:
Having much higher voltage as the input frequency will more than double the signal?

I wonder if:
Using one of the SM frequencies, that IMHO tap into huge magnetic waves, with the proper set up would make a difference?  (35.705 Khz & 245 Khz)

I wonder if:
The fact that the signal appears on each of the two conductors, running through the control coil.  What if you had 5 individually (thinner) insulated conductors?  Would the signal be of same amplitude on each?  Could they be wired in series for five times the voltage or wired in parallel for 5 times the current?  What if 105 strand LITZ was placed there?  Would each individual wire show the same amplitude?  Does everyone see where I am heading with this?

I wonder if:
The two conductor running between your coils as collector were wired in series with the control wires.  What would happen to the wave?

I wonder if:
You used sine wave rather than square for all of the above experiments, if there would be a difference?

I wonder if:
Using VHF triode tubes as oscillators would make a difference when redoing all of the above experiments? 

We could all "guess" at some of the answers for the above questions, but the truth is that we really do not know until we put it to the test.   ;D

Just a couple of my thoughts for the day, all.   ;)

Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:
One more "I wonder if three signals going into the collector (see the 3 stack TPU) would combine to give even greater amplitude?  (F1+F2+F3)  All opposing, identical, slightly out of phase, different power supply's.
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

M@rcel

#192
February 05, 2008, 05:59:25 PM
Does "opposing flux" fit in here somewhere?

http://www.rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm

BEP

#193
February 05, 2008, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: M@rcel on February 05, 2008, 05:59:25 PM
Does "opposing flux" fit in here somewhere?

http://www.rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm

I think so. Others may disagree. Big difference though. No iron cores are part of this discussion, as far as I know.

Bruce_TPU

#194
February 05, 2008, 07:05:08 PM
Quote from: BEP on February 05, 2008, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: M@rcel on February 05, 2008, 05:59:25 PM
Does "opposing flux" fit in here somewhere?

http://www.rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm

I think so. Others may disagree. Big difference though. No iron cores are part of this discussion, as far as I know.

Hi BEP,
You know, I have recently wondered if SM, in the TPU built with "baling wire", simply wrapped the iron wire, not to pulse, but to use as the iron in a transformer, and has other wires that can not be seen.  Perhaps like he said about hooking two transformers in reverse.  Opposing signals, sine or pulsed, what happens?   ;D 

I am thinking about Comsters Sim he posted.  I wonder if he has had time to do the experiment yet?

Comster's Post:
Hey guys
The highlights of transformers out of phase got me thinking so I drew something up in my simulator. Check out the reading on osc2 channel.
Gonna test this in the lab.

Warm regards,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.
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