Meyer's WFC concept analysed

[HeairBear]

Well then, with you being on the edge of skepticism and me being the uneducated optimist(kinda like Stan), I propose a test to see if it works right here in this thread. I'm willing to buy and build the device outlined in the patent I posted earlier(whether you read it or not) at my expense and post the results with pictures and video if necessary. I'm not a rich guy so don't expect any large purchases all at once. You'll have to bear with me. All you have to do is try and debunk it or go with the flow and see where we can go with it. Arguing will get us nowhere and I would like to find out what this baby can do. What do ya say? You've got nothing to lose. I'll even make it a step by step for easy reading. If you are worried of me being incompetent, I assure you,  I will be able to keep up with you and your recommendations without having to spoon feed me the fine details. Besides, I love a good challenge!


Asta!

[Farrah Day]

Look guys, I'm not saying that Meyer did not run his car on water.

Though we must agree that, if he did, then he was genuine... if he did not, he was a fraud.

What I am saying is that Stans circuit designs as they stand are hogwash, and his understanding of electronics extremely flawed, indeed so poor as to only complicate matters by utterly confusing the reader.

Don't waste your time on trying to replicate a Meyer wfc from his diagrams, they're incomplete and/or incorrect. Instead see look at Dave Lawtons circuit design for creating pulses and you might find you're getting somewhere.

Forget the Meyer designs and simply make something that will work, in that it will do what you want it to do. Build the cell first and then design the electronics to do what you require of it - which by all accounts will be to replicate what Meyer did to his cell. But of course to do this you must know what Meyer was doing.. and herein lies the mystery and confusion.

Farrah Day

[neukin]

Are you guys saying they built circuits to apply power to the plates to match the frequency of the plates/tank?

also....

The pulse seems to just be a way to keep heat down and save power, i didnt think it helped with production?

[Farrah Day]

Neukin, if the pulse was just to cut down on power it would still basically be just normal electrolysis. Reducing the power by pulsing, would in reality just also reduce overall gas output. No, the pulsing must do more that, and indeed is, I believe the key.

The thing that I didn't like about the Meyer patents was that there was not a single value given to any inductor, capacitor, or other component.  He did not state the number of turns on his transformers or indeed how they were wired.  When you are not even given a rough figure to get you in the ball park, its all pretty dificult to replicate.  I find it all very uncomfortable. And, like I said, the Meyer circuit patent is just a copy of Puharich's earlier patent with a blocking diode dropped in.

If you read the Puharich link that I put up earlier you will see that he thinks that pulsing changes the state of the water molecule. Effectively altering the angle at which the hydrogen atoms sit in relation to the oxygen atom.  This makes some sense, as if this angle changes, it would no doubt alter the properties of the water molecule. It could effectively make it more 'brittle' - for want of a better word - hence allowing the covalent bonds to break more readily. Like a glass shattering at a certain frequency (its resonance frequency where it literally shakes itself apart! 

This is the area in which the studying and experimenting should be applied, particularly as many people seem to be making progress here.

So assuming that there is a frequency at which the water molecule will disassociate at a much lower input energy level than normal electrolysis, the task is then to discover the best frequency or frequencies to do this.  Of course it will depend on individual cell construction, electrodes and electrode distance, water composition, etc, but once you know what you are trying to achieve, adjustments should be easy enough to make.

Is it a modulated ac sine wave as per Puharich or dc pulses, or a combination of both. What works best, square wave, sine wave?  What is the best duty cycle, etc, etc. Puharich used a feed back loop to maintain resonance once he found it. And of course if it is all about that resonant 'sweet spot'  then once you have it you only require a fraction of your initial input power to maintain it.

Anyway boys, let's see if we can't make some headway ourselves. I'm going to build Daves pulsing circuit up and do a bit of experimenting myself as and when time allows.

Regards, Farrah Day.

[neukin]

I thought thats what you would say

Iv tried alot of combos

You can tune your cell with a TIG welder. You can use both AC or DC and you need a TIG welder with Pulse but you can turn the amps to the wanted number.. then with the foot control apply volts to the wanted level. Iv done this and you can play with it until you get a combo that works with your cell. This works great since values can change so easy. Im not sure any machine out there does the same thing. I used a Miller Dynasty 200 DX. Once you know the amps, volts and frequency you can built a circuit.

Im working on mine right now here is a pic
http://alterhonda.com/images/neukinhhocell4.jpg