Meyer's WFC concept analysed

[HeairBear]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TPZGMA6Bp5o&feature=related

Looks like a single choke VIC to me. What do you think?

[Farrah Day]

Yes he surely does have the components of a VIC assembly.  But he's actually applying a pulse that's then rectified with a fullwave bridge rectifier, which is then being smoothed by the blue cap to give dc.

Problem is that he will get very false readings without any load. I think he needs to put a big resistor where he has the multimeter and then look at the readings.

With only the multimeter used as shown, he is relying on the multimeter internal components to load the circuit. The current load will be different to the voltage load, so figures for each will be misleading. In reality, with a load he will have much less power as the voltage and current figures will be very different.

Farrah Day

[starcruiser]

He needs to scope it to see what the output looks like. using the cap he is filtering the ripple but by how much? I concur about using a real load and measuring across that to see what his real output is with the load.

[Farrah Day]

TH

Apparently Bob Boyce sees the same 300% Faraday success as those using tubes. He uses conditioned plates rather than tubes. Simply an alternative design of capacitor. Personally I don't think it will matter which design you employ as long as the anode has its dielectric oxide layer and you follow good construction procedure.

I will at some point soon be testing a wfc that has a very small SS 'cathode'. The ss 'cathode' being a connection there solely to make contact with the water (my liquid cathode) and hence serving just to electrically connect the electrical circuit to the water.  I will be constructing an anode with a very large surface area, possibly made up of a SS threaded bar, loaded with ss plates along its length.  The anode will take up nearly all of the space within the cell container. Now, this will need to be conditioned well initially as it will make for a poor electrode set up for conventional electrolysis. However, once the anode is oxidised, in theory at least, I expect it to work very well under pulsing. Furthermore, as I'm not wasting the space others are with their large, and I think possibly unrequired ss 'cathodes', I should have a far more efficient wfc.  Looking forward now to putting my theory to the test.

Will provide photos as soon as fabricated.

Farrah Day

[twohawks]

Edited  Nov 16 @2:50pm pst...
@FD   I can really appreciate where you are coming from and eagerly look forward to your results.

   With regard to your theory, I am wondering if there still is something to the idea that magnetism is useful for aligning the molecules of the water (which it does with staggered +/- plates, such as   +>>>>- where + are the h2 component and - is the O component), in effect assisting the reaction taking place, ...then wouldn't you consider this an important consideration somewhere in your experiments?
    I know the alignment aspect is discussed with regard to the classicly discussed understanding of stretching/elongating the bond laterally (where water is discussed as a dialectric), and then it is more prone to breaking with the forces applied,
  ...but I wonder how it still may be significant in your alternative approach?  (I.e., I wonder if you will end up needing a negative plate across from each anode plate so the water may be held in orientation?)
I expect your's will be a significant test indeed.  Good luck with that.
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BTW, I somewhat expected that you might have pondered and replied to Esotericman's post (on page2) where he comments..

As for capacitors, I don't think a liquid capacitor can induce this molecular dissociation.  Traditional electrolysis is fairly well understood and I'm convinced Meyer's is at least fundamentally similar:
Adding an electron to the water molecule replaces one hydrogen atom (proton).  Now if you strip an electron from the leftover OH-, the Hydrogen atom falls off and joins with a liberated proton to form stable H2 gas while the Oxygen bonds with another O for O2 gas.  There is therefore a necessary flow of electrons in order to split the molecule according to known scientific laws.

But since traditional electrolysis requires the movement of molecules to facilitate electron transfer, the question is, how do electrons travel from the anode to the cathode without being carried by the molecules?  Somehow Meyer's machine accomplished this- how?

(Of course, I expect he meant 'electrons travelling from the cathode to the anode, as that is the technically correct understanding...)
I would be interested in your, and other's here, take on those thoughts and questions.

Cheers,
TwoHawks